Glacius wrote: and the fact that u are rr4 and i m rr7 aint helping me so much having det and charge2 among other RA s while u got pasives and that static tempest makes us even .

wrong.
afaik you can use the max AF when RR5+ same as 16,5dps weapons

so you got at least the AF+dmg advantage with rr7 vs rr4
even if its small or tiny , you got it

before RR5 you re using 100/102 AF and 16,3/16,5dps (im not sure ;P)

or something like that

anyway senseless comparison

and why a minstrel isnt able to defeat a zerker ...
it always depends on the starting situation,
minstrels are one of the hardest classes to play well
can't say that of a zerker ,
maybe you just met the kind of minstrel that think they can compete one of the best melee dps in game in melee?

bet you never fighted a minstrel using 100% of its utility,... /shrug

Toblerone wrote:That's an npc. Npc damage reduction is also affected by constitution.

Try doing some REAL tests, then come back and think twice before calling someone else a dumb ass.

VALEWALKER IS MORE RESITANT TO MELEE DMG THEN HERO.

DMG ON HERO


DMG ON VALEW


Used BM with 2.7 thrust dmg weapon with low str stats , did 70(-1) max dmg on hero and 68)-1) max dmg on valew, bufed and having whole 75 to str stats the diference would be even bigger, i used a fast weap to get more samples.
Toblerone and Amadeth now that you have proofs maybe you wil STFU . NEXT! bye

nubrin wrote:

Glacius wrote: and the fact that u are rr4 and i m rr7 aint helping me so much having det and charge2 among other RA s while u got pasives and that static tempest makes us even .

wrong.
afaik you can use the max AF when RR5+ same as 16,5dps weapons

so you got at least the AF+dmg advantage with rr7 vs rr4
even if its small or tiny , you got it

before RR5 you re using 100/102 AF and 16,3/16,5dps (im not sure ;P)

or something like that

anyway senseless comparison

and why a minstrel isnt able to defeat a zerker ...
it always depends on the starting situation,
minstrels are one of the hardest classes to play well
can't say that of a zerker ,
maybe you just met the kind of minstrel that think they can compete one of the best melee dps in game in melee?

bet you never fighted a minstrel using 100% of its utility,... /shrug

Indeed senseless comparison.. 15 more af..and 0.3 dps make a diference? I almost kiled 2 mincers with 75% hp while one was meleeing me the whole time, 2nd one did ip2 to survive, mincer utility is in grp ..solo..he can sos away to save his ass and ip2 to die abit later ..thats about it,for me as a det tank his stun and mezz are laughable.

Troll zerker is most complicated class to play

Glacius wrote:

Toblerone wrote:That's an npc. Npc damage reduction is also affected by constitution.

Try doing some REAL tests, then come back and think twice before calling someone else a dumb ass.

VALEWALKER IS MORE RESITANT TO MELEE DMG THEN HERO.

DMG ON HERO


DMG ON VALEW


Used BM with 2.7 thrust dmg weapon with low str stats , did 70(-1) max dmg on hero and 68)-1) max dmg on valew, bufed and having whole 75 to str stats the diference would be even bigger, i used a fast weap to get more samples.
Toblerone and Amadeth now that you have proofs maybe you wil STFU . NEXT! bye

Numero uno, learn to cut screenshots or at least resize them.

Secondly, I don't see any heroes or valewalkers on those screenshots

Thirdly, lol 70 and 68 damage, big difference and it's only 20ish hits. You claim to be an accountant with a college degree yet you can't use common sense nor the simplest math that's thought in elementary schools here.

And finally, valewalker isn't more resistant to melee damage than hero.

Maybe i dont wana cut em
Look at the first 2 pics i ve made , u see class there,same names.
It;s 68 and 70 dmg only because weap is 2.7 spd and the player has no str from items nothing, with stats and fully bufed the diference is higher, i ve kiled em 3 times and thats's the highest dmg i got on em. 70 on hero, 68 on VW .

So.. u can get your other croatian buddy and move out of this thread, for 1 week since u joined this thread u only flame .

Don't you ever get bored of making stuff up :p

No .. i dont, i like to believe that i have done something for this server, ****** off some, managed to correct some bugs..etc, you on the other hand play on same realm with me and act like a complete idiot, of that i am ashamed.

Glacius wrote:I almost kiled 2 mincers with 75% hp while one was meleeing me the whole time, 2nd one did ip2 to survive, mincer utility is in grp ..solo..he can sos away to save his ass and ip2 to die abit later ..thats about it,for me as a det tank his stun and mezz are laughable.

yes, my utility is crap, my melee is crap and I have nothing but SoS and IP2.

but I killed you, how much do you suck then?

Glacius wrote:Toblerone and Amadeth now that you have proofs maybe you wil STFU . NEXT! bye

U R WRONG.

This thread should be renamed to "You rage you loose"

Amadeth wrote:

Glacius wrote:I almost kiled 2 mincers with 75% hp while one was meleeing me the whole time, 2nd one did ip2 to survive, mincer utility is in grp ..solo..he can sos away to save his ass and ip2 to die abit later ..thats about it,for me as a det tank his stun and mezz are laughable.

yes, my utility is crap, my melee is crap and I have nothing but SoS and IP2.

but I killed you, how much do you suck then?

You were just lucky it was 2 AM and he only uses anytimers when it's 2 AM.

Toblerone wrote:

Amadeth wrote:

Glacius wrote:I almost kiled 2 mincers with 75% hp while one was meleeing me the whole time, 2nd one did ip2 to survive, mincer utility is in grp ..solo..he can sos away to save his ass and ip2 to die abit later ..thats about it,for me as a det tank his stun and mezz are laughable.

yes, my utility is crap, my melee is crap and I have nothing but SoS and IP2.

but I killed you, how much do you suck then?

You were just lucky it was 2 AM and he only uses anytimers when it's 2 AM.

At least i got what to use, u still got left over toons to play after u lost ur acc?:P

Glacius wrote:

Toblerone wrote:That's an npc. Npc damage reduction is also affected by constitution.

Try doing some REAL tests, then come back and think twice before calling someone else a dumb ass.

VALEWALKER IS MORE RESITANT TO MELEE DMG THEN HERO.


Used BM with 2.7 thrust dmg weapon with low str stats , did 70(-1) max dmg on hero and 68)-1) max dmg on valew, bufed and having whole 75 to str stats the diference would be even bigger, i used a fast weap to get more samples.
Toblerone and Amadeth now that you have proofs maybe you wil STFU . NEXT! bye

Did you even add up and divide out to see which took more average dmg?


You hit the Hero for an average of 55 dmg, you hit the valewalker for an average of 58 dmg.


So like I and many other people have already said, VWs take about the same dmg as Heros (58 versus 55 is WELL within the margin of error for such a small (30 hit) test) when their buffs are up.

Glacius wrote:

Toblerone wrote:

Amadeth wrote:

Glacius wrote:I almost kiled 2 mincers with 75% hp while one was meleeing me the whole time, 2nd one did ip2 to survive, mincer utility is in grp ..solo..he can sos away to save his ass and ip2 to die abit later ..thats about it,for me as a det tank his stun and mezz are laughable.

yes, my utility is crap, my melee is crap and I have nothing but SoS and IP2.

but I killed you, how much do you suck then?

You were just lucky it was 2 AM and he only uses anytimers when it's 2 AM.

At least i got what to use, u still got left over toons to play after u lost ur acc?:P

I got plenty of chars, including the ones you think I lost.

Force wrote:

Glacius wrote:

Toblerone wrote:That's an npc. Npc damage reduction is also affected by constitution.

Try doing some REAL tests, then come back and think twice before calling someone else a dumb ass.

VALEWALKER IS MORE RESITANT TO MELEE DMG THEN HERO.


Used BM with 2.7 thrust dmg weapon with low str stats , did 70(-1) max dmg on hero and 68)-1) max dmg on valew, bufed and having whole 75 to str stats the diference would be even bigger, i used a fast weap to get more samples.
Toblerone and Amadeth now that you have proofs maybe you wil STFU . NEXT! bye

Did you even add up and divide out to see which took more average dmg?


You hit the Hero for an average of 55 dmg, you hit the valewalker for an average of 58 dmg.


So like I and many other people have already said, VWs take about the same dmg as Heros (58 versus 55 is WELL within the margin of error for such a small (30 hit) test) when their buffs are up.

Dont calculate average dmg dumbo, you take highest dmg or lowest on both chars, after 50 hits u can see which one is ..max or min. You head is 2 slow..what can i do:P.
Did max dmg on valew 68, and i ve kiled him 3 times to see max dmg, same for hero, got 70 dmg.. that BM didnt had str etc..bufed the diference its even more.
You dont need 1000 hits to see max dmg or min on a target, you dont calculate % to dunno what, 50 hits will be enough.. but what do you know..