@eclipsed
Dont forget yellow self af Yesterday a celt hero made a max of 36x damage on a celt bm and I think he was fully buffed.

@tirax
heal, resist buffs, self buffs except str/con, strong defense (better than ranger including parry, high evade and pierce resistant armor),

Actually some friars with a slow staff hit like warriors here with a faster attackspeed. Nynvandene was a very strong opponent in NF. Nobody remembers the friars boom when reflex attack was bugged oo

O ya the spec AF we get. I always found it funny that, if you dont have PD, many times youl see assasins pull out identical melee dmg as us, when we talk about dmg that we do when not str/con debuffed. Some would say, well ya, they are both on same damage table , so they should do about the same, when its not high dmg evade styles. But one thing that is being forgotten is that a ranger has more AF and Absorb from there RF, compared to assasins leather. And rangers will always have extra AF from the spec line too, and self buffs, excluding the damage add, since any one can get the 11 dps one. But the enemy still does almost the same kinda dmg, exept if they got PD. So add all that + PD, and that is why an assasin will hit for less, along with most other enemys.

The skills and Ra's rangers have on uthgard has not changed in a long time, the only thing that changed was volley after the mass of new rangers and there use of volley. That is why there is many rangers. I bet if there was 5000 SB running around all the time, you would think they are OP , at times when they kill you. Why, well because you are always fighting them because there is many of them. That is all that is really going on, its just left overs from Volley + OP feed back on the forums, that would get any newbie drowling.

Tirax wrote:i see only 4 people pretending rangers arent oped. maybe because they all play one? Which level is yours?

And jes we all know that archers sucked on live. With NF and ToA the first Meleerangers came and mythic realised this and nerfed them because they perfomed way better than other melees.

my ranger is 6Lx and not played anymore since about 10 months. i switched to ns.

maybe ranger is strong. but if uth want to be classic live like without custon classes, we need a new patch and no custom nerfes, no?
because if the just nerf one class, other nerf treads will grow up as hell.
hibs would cry for svg nerf.
whats next?
all classes custom nerfed?

always remember that Uthgard tries to be a classic livelike server.

kryptonite wrote:

Tirax wrote:i see only 4 people pretending rangers arent oped. maybe because they all play one? Which level is yours?

And jes we all know that archers sucked on live. With NF and ToA the first Meleerangers came and mythic realised this and nerfed them because they perfomed way better than other melees.

my ranger is 6Lx and not played anymore since about 10 months. i switched to ns.

maybe ranger is strong. but if uth want to be classic live like without custon classes, we need a new patch and no custom nerfes, no?
because if the just nerf one class, other nerf treads will grow up as hell.
hibs would cry for svg nerf.
whats next?
all classes custom nerfed?

always remember that Uthgard tries to be a classic livelike server.

this is the point and i totally agree.
i am not for nerfing rangers, the problem is not on this, and this will not fix this server.
We want be a classic "before toa" server?
well, good again and again:

Go complete old ra system (PD active 30min timer, no mos, bof and sos only albs, baod to enchanters, druid fotm ra's to druids, remove stupid rr5 ra's etc etc)
give thurst line the correct 9sec stun evade
etc
after all this (not so hard to do) BEFORE ANY OTHER FIX on classes (see spells missing on caba, animist, implement necromancer, fix bonedancers pets etc etc)
try to fix the WS skill and how this affect some chars (see dual wielder)
give pls a fix to 2handed/Cletic spear/Polearms/staff that is really a joke here

at this point, i am SURE things will start to be better, and we start to have the old feeling of daoc

i haven't talked ABOUT NERF RANGERS, just i continue to say the problem is how utghard is set. This will have a huge impact on a lot of things.
See albs that 90% of times can't compete against hibs (from what i see here, ok hibs have 6 relics, but, damn ... is really a no chance, all night long hibs that farm albs ... while mids, at least, can count on good damage of tanks)

i remember all that on old classic daoc albion got some specific ra's for balance things that was not working and hardly unbalanced (no inst mezz/stun-->see bolt sorc mezz, see SOS, hard times against mids tanks --> see BOF etc etc)

here alb run with armsmans that hit like chicks, a total 2h line that is a joke, wizards hardly bugged etc etc --> this mean NO DAMAGE. Whit all this things not working, hibs/mids can use sos, bof etc etc like NEW DAOC TIMES where A LOT OF THINGS changed.

We want old daoc style?

good, i'd very like too, so start to make this things, and this will have huge impact on ALL, not only on nerfing rangers or on stealthers fights

take exemple to rangers against infs/sb:

ranger can continue to use PD as ACTIVE RA (30 min timer)
ranger can continue to use IP as ACTIVE RA (30 min timer)
BUT
no MOS so if CAMO not up, must warning to take a PA on FACE (LIKE THIS SHOULD BE as he is not a pure assassin)
when on melee, if full melee will have a chance only if some ra's are UP
if full bow will use his bow, making the form damage he is supposed to do against DE HIDDEN stealthers or VISIBLE TARGETS (not against a inf/sb from 1 km distance...)
Infs, even if with inferiors on damage to SB's, will have a chance for dragon fang (if PURGE is down)
Sb's will outdamage Rangers if on melee
etc etc etc

this was DAOC when was fun, i am sure Noir (or me or other players) will not while/flame if a FULL MELEE RANGER (not a hybrid ...) will kill him after he used IP (and for other 30mins will can't use).

And i think rangers will not flame if they will must start to play his class like is thinked to be (so not going around on god mode killing 2/3 steatlhers at time with PD3/4 and IP up every 10mins)

About rvr, if 2h damage will be fixed (as i h ope) and WS system will start to work, u'll see Albion and Hibernia make some decent damage melee, Hibernia start run magic grp, Albion run decent setup with decent damage etc. etc. etc.

this was the OLD DAOC

i'am sorry, but Uthard is really FAR from this (i know dev's what this feeling back so this are the things that must be done)

all the rest are only this that are considered OP for the BIG MISTAKES on mix new ra's, old class styles, bugs on melee system etc etc

@Ronian
u joking when u say a Friar with low staff can deal the same damage of a Warrior. U right if u talk about live,but here, sorry, with 5.x staff i hit on leather (Sb's) for 210 dmg / Swing and got evaded 9 times on 10 swings (even if poisons are not ws/con base, so will not affect my ws/damage).
If i run 3.0 staff (that i normally use) i hit for 90/100 and is better to use this for how WS work here.

On old daoc live days, i was running 5.x staff all times because damage was huge (and when i say huge, i talk about 400/450/500 + crits on leather mid) and i was evading a lot.

If u had the lucky (on maybe the UNlucky) to fight a friar at 1.60+ u should understand what i am talking about ...

all the rest is flame ...
remove this unbelevable mix on new ra's, ws bugged, 2handed alb/hibs joke and i am sure a lot of things will start to work better, giving back what (i think) we all want:
the old daoc feeling!

I agree have never hit near 400dmg on my friar, they are not like fast warriors. (against a ranger. no chance in hell to hit that hard). Saying that i have had very even fights with rangers.. killing some and lost to others... but killing them is very hard and even in the event they are losing.. they can always rr5 or speed to get away, a friar cannot escape. (vanish kinda sucks like that too).

I believe Old RAs would help even rangers out, IP every 30mins, wont get PD. They can always use there skillpoints for increase passive damage.

Wow Blitze you made my day. Maybe get your rr5, on eof the stronger ones in duel but cry about the ranger rr5. I mean comon we are disarmed and you can heal yourself or just finish the enemey off. Nice balancing and pd4 ftw when you dont get through the defense of the enemy.

getting rr5 is really f*cking hard work, i watched rangers graduate thidranki at very similar time to me and are flying up the RRs. (and i know friars have a good rr5 as well). ive stopped playing for few weeks, but after i will be back ready to get jumped by 3 rangers at AMG.

to be brutally honest i found SBs harder to kill than rangers with a friar Viper3 ones or higher RR non viper ones. after rr5 i will have another story.

Hopefully rangers follow a predator/prey curve where the increased ranger numbers lead to decreased prey no. ----eventually the lack of prey leads to starvation of rangers... we will see. (but looking at LWRP chart they have plenty of food still)

Blitze wrote:getting rr5 is really f*cking hard work, i watched rangers graduate thidranki at very similar time to me and are flying up the RRs. (and i know friars have a good rr5 as well). ive stopped playing for few weeks, but after i will be back ready to get jumped by 3 rangers at AMG.

to be brutally honest i found SBs harder to kill than rangers with a friar Viper3 ones or higher RR non viper ones. after rr5 i will have another story.

Hopefully rangers follow a predator/prey curve where the increased ranger numbers lead to decreased prey no. ----eventually the lack of prey leads to starvation of rangers... we will see. (but looking at LWRP chart they have plenty of food still)

Yeh but based on this prey curve wont rangers then hibernate, then after many months of heavy snows they then will slowly wake to face a new melt. The ranger family will then travel many miles to eat the salmon that flow freely in Hibernia upstream to thier spawn point...The Ranger family will be nourished and realise suddenly that they have been transported through a stargate on Kryton to earthly Uthgard, and lo and behold they are almost indestructible, this will lead to them taking power on Uthgard and demanding Salmon to be brought to them on the shoulders of slave SB and Infi's,

One day A Ranger will grow up who will fight these evil Rangers and he will need to disguise himself as a reporter, when that day comes he will challenge Skynet and the triple a rangers and his name will be renowned through history as John Connor..!

Vote for close, one more thread for the trolls. Nothing else

I´m sorry Eclipsed

Ronian wrote::lol:
Wow Blitze you made my day. Maybe get your rr5, on eof the stronger ones in duel but cry about the ranger rr5. I mean comon we are disarmed and you can heal yourself or just finish the enemey off. Nice balancing and pd4 ftw when you dont get through the defense of the enemy.

Trying to say that your dual wielding which halves your enemy's defense is causing you trouble ? Try playing a 1h or 2h class then complain about enemy defenses.

Tobletwo wrote:

Ronian wrote::lol:
Wow Blitze you made my day. Maybe get your rr5, on eof the stronger ones in duel but cry about the ranger rr5. I mean comon we are disarmed and you can heal yourself or just finish the enemey off. Nice balancing and pd4 ftw when you dont get through the defense of the enemy.

Trying to say that your dual wielding which halves your enemy's defense is causing you trouble ? Try playing a 1h or 2h class then complain about enemy defenses.

It only halves defense when I hit with both weapons, I am not a sb

Even with 66 cd I hit often 4 of 5 single handed, but ok Ranger is op and thread can be closed. Btw parry isnt affected by dual wield anymore, what you definately know. Addtionally I made some fun fights vs Arlen with shield equipped and it wasnt like that he was in godmode because I wasnt using dual wield. Actually I block more than I evade without shieldspec

Noir wrote:I play uthgard since very long time dude i don't need your advice for know my class and the only way to kill a ranger is : be noskill .
and i will NEVER do it .
some people greykill in df and will do it forever , and even if all my rerolls get chain by some stupid guys i won't revenge like a poor vindicative little boy on all players. that same , even if lot of rangers like overpowered pd & ip combo i won't take viper3 and annoy every players that i will duel with a no skilled ra.

i bet i play longer on uthgard..... but ? where is the point?

well somehow you need advice , or the ability not to ignore the advice you get about the class you are playing

i never said you neeed your so called * non skill ability viper3 * to kill rangers !!!! (that was just your interpretation)
if you dont need advice in how to kill rangers , why you just dont kill em?
i understood you will never go viper3 ,.. you repeated often enough

allthough you dont got viper3 ,.. weapon switch IS WORTH IT /NEEDED ,.. and does NOT take to much time - as you claimed - if you are talking about *non skill* and then say weaponswitch takes to much time ,.. this makes me really ponder about you
(if you are well practised in weaponswitching - which is kind of a skill then - you dont lose ANY time! )

NO, weaponswitch on a non viper sb/infi/ns is not for re applying a dot that ticks for 50 dmg , BUT for debuffing your *OPRangers*
but how could you know ,.. you were to busy to tell us how OPed rangers are , instead of reading useful advices....

again: to make weaponswitch worth it , you do not necessarly need viper3 use !!

weaponswitch without viper for debuffs!!!
ranger got advantages cause of better buffs
when i played my ranger an infi could equal our melee dmg outputs by simply using str/con debuff *when purge was down*,.. ( since he was a *nonskill viper3* user he outdmged me very easily,..

now you will come up with :
mimimi but i dont wanna use viper3,...(what else)
no problem ,.. then dont use it ,... if that infi had str3 pain4 he still would ve outdmged me cause of the str/con debuff which caused me to lose about 30-50% of the dmg i usually deal

of course many rangers know about....
thats why they purge it (yes its better to purge debuffs than stun , cause you can use ip2 for the dmg you took , but you cant use ip2 for the dmg you deal)
if you dont reapply it ,.. and use haste debuff .. and all the other nice stuff the *envenome* line provides to sb/infi/ns ,...
i really cant help you and you need to go on QQing...

we all told you about ... you ignored us ,..

Celad wrote:Came on Feelit, are you telling us that all (because every 4Lx ranger can now easy kill every other stealthers) rangers are proh players (just look at the herald for an idea of the lwrp they made) while shadowblades, infi, scouts and hunters players are just all noobs (because they can be easy killed by every 4Lx ranger)?

as a 4l ranger ,.. you dont do *easy kills* ,.. once reached rank5/6 ,.. yes,...

again i didnt play my ranger for like 4 months ,.. and im not going to play it again , cause im just having too much fun in group rvr atm.. so i dont care about a possible ranger nerf....
but i care about peopel are fed up about other people QQing about rangers( as i am one of it) + i/we ve alredy adviced specific people about how to stop their QQ...

and yes RANGERS ARE EASYMODE
but if you suggest you can win fights against Rangers(easymode chars) due to playing a *non-easymode char* a lazy way ,.. you will keep losing ,..

on my ranger i ve lost against:
- healers (had absolutly no chance vs celican, he didnt even had to use a single instant; he simply outdmged me)
- friars (no chance at all vs a friar on same RR)
- warriors (Orihiime when he was even 1 rank lower)
- infis (even got killed by lower RRs infis)

Thats DAOC!!! ,... get over it that there are classes that can kill other classes more easily ,..

*every 4lx ranger can now easy kill every other stealther*
wow thats great ...lolololol
but what has changed? whats *NOW* different compared to the time bevore *NOW*
your post doesnt even include 1 solid argument... its all just ... blablabla

stressed wrote:- Dont get sidestunned - How...? Thats similar if sbs were op to saying dont get poisoned...How do i avoid a stun when i needed to spend points in vip 3 so cant afford purge....? [/size]

with SKILL!!!!
mouselook , move backwards all time ,.. turn in mouslook if you see them going to attempt to sidestun
now you know how ,... and you just need to practise...
if you nerf rangers they cant compete vs other specific classes .. well ,.. they not only cant compete ,.. they will have nooo chance at all ,.. vs friars ,.. mercs... for example

and btw this whole QQ-Ranger thing gets totally ridiculous for me ,..when i read that side stuns can just be avoided by purge...which actually isnt an avoidness but a counter

stressed wrote: Last post from me to you - you ask for proof, get a gm to call the stats on how many times rangers kill sbs and vicer versa...im guessing that will speak for itself

and?
its a common knowledge for all that have a clue about daoc ,.. that
- melee rangers are assasin killers , so why the hell should it be different on uthgard?
- there are specific classes in daoc that kill other specific classes more easily!

ever saw mages complaining about getting owned within charge time?
yes of course?
were they ignored?
yes of course...

realac0 wrote:is clear all what i heard (and read) about PD too powerful for this settings (old days was not only on cloth, but on some classes that needed it, for exemple NS's had it) but was active, every 30min (don t remember the % of damage reduction).

PD= viper?
well Nightshades never had PD afaik and PD has never been an active ability,.. actually i dont know what you are talking about
but again , a ranger does not neeed any PD to win ,..
AF buff > AF charge ,.. reinfoced amor> leather amor ,...
but hey ,.. you can evade ,... ! rangers evade rarly (at least my shar) ,.. rangers defense is crappy imo so thats why its totally okay that they got hit for less ,..
rangers do more dmg in melee cause they got better buffs ,.. more str .. more dex quick .. a dmg add

Madro wrote:Yesterday, Fullbuffed 50-65dmg on a RR6lx Ranger with my best Styles. And he make about 120-140 + dmg add to me? 50% less dmg and don´t forgett, he can use IP. Funny! ^^

This is so sad for a pure Melee Class.

SBs/infis/NS are NOT PURE MELEE CLASSES !!!!!!
even in the mythic class description they talk about *magic* that helps them....if you dont use that magic or just a little % of it ,.. stop crying!

vangonaj wrote:

Methusalem wrote:and a point for other hibs :
can u answer me, why ur realmmates search Rangers in broad for tajendi or df-highlordsraids as maintank if ur Ranger isnt a LITTLE oped ?

Is this is true? OMG

well yes , a PD 4/5 ranger is a good tank especially for the hib prince ,.... (since it deals slash dmg and hib scale amor is slash vulnerable)
... when it gets guarded it for sure got the better defence than a BM got
and taking much less dmg than a hero does
so if you dont got 2 heros guarding each others
its a very good altenate way since heros take up to 1k+ hits from hib prince ,.. which bms/ranger dont

i still prefer *real* tanks cause rangers will ... miss miss miss miss miss
which BMs wont...

Celad wrote:I NEVER see someone spamming in LFG in mid that he need an hunter to tank something... indeed i never see someone spamming in LFG that he need an hunter for pve purpouse...

I NEVER see someone spamming in LFG in hib that he needs a ranger to tank something ! indeed i never see someone spamming in LFG that he needs a Ranger for any PVE purposes!

BUT IF these rangers are asking ,... via /send xxx can i join as a PD x Ranger ,...
they might get an invite ,..
there s only difference between rangers n hunters ,... that the hunter styles are very very crappy (+just worse evade), and that most hunter are not pure melee spec , which makes them way less attractive for PVE raids.,...

Breeze wrote:OH MY GOD
All this worthless whine guys..

The only guy who might have anything to say in this thread is Noir because he plays at rr10 and still without Viper3..

All the other viper3 assasins who whine about ranger PD, should just shut up tbh

You _have_ to remember that in ANY patch in DAoC history there has been strong and weak chars..

Yes, rangers are good as it is atm.. Unbeatable, game breaking? Not by a long shot..

sooo true

stressed wrote:So rangers are working properly - definitely time to roll my ranger

or time to use all available charges and play your toon as its needed when fighting the class thats one of your toghest enemies , as it was on live.
up to you, if you need easymode, go for it ,.. now its the best time ,. 3 melee relics !!! gogo winning team joiner/easymode lovers!!!

stressed wrote:How do I spec my sb to tank Highlords...Funny how this post was satrted with the questions why are rangers op - give proof...I think Ronia just did..?

why do you try to compare assasins with archers? Noone ever said SBs are good as Tanks in PvE , maybe as dmg dealer with viper3 yes,..
but how can you complain about the posts are not related to the topic , when its your turn to proof that rangers are OP , which you just dont do and cant do,...imo

Celad wrote:Let all use AF buffs and easy kill all the OP rangers my fellows!!
Who is the children here?

Due to repeating a claim again and again people wont start to believe you,...AHAHAHAHAHAHA
hahahahahah AHAHA ahahah *whos the child* - maybe bring up some arguments
- note- arguments =l= whine !

AF selbuff > af charge - Reinforced amor > leather amor - dex quick selfbuff > dex quick charge .. even WITH same Value !!

it is true that most rangers didnt even spec much PD ,.. and if they did .. imo they chose the wrong RAs ,... or are high RR

stressed wrote:That's easy, u just cant have as well unless your rr7+ purge so get stunned and then killed after only dotting a few times.

are you still claiming/complaining about rangers being OP
or are you complaining about realm rank differences?

stressed wrote:Breeze you seem to offer nothing of value to this discussion, saying l2play isnt an answer its a childish reaction to something you dont seem to like.

did you took any value to this discussion? any but : "rangers are OP"?
if you dont understand that Rangers dont like to tell you how to kill them easily ,.. i guess noone can help you ,.. if you are too lazy to read , to try things out ,.. if all you can do is keep on QQ/whining ,.. well,.. Have Fun !

Seyha wrote:I feel like I'm wasting my time at this point since this is such an awful thread, but this is the one good point made so far.

same as i do ,.. its a ranger that started this threat asking : "why do you think rangers are OP?"
till now not even a single good argument as come up ... some guys went offtopic ,. some guys started to compare different classes in PVE ,..
... but many people trying to show up rangers are OP due to saying Rangers are OP !
wow.

celad wrote:You are really stupid man. I ALWAYS go with AF buff on, do you know? i'm an hunter and i have self AF buff. And all the SB i know always roam with charges of AF on. I was just kidding you.

EDIT: oh... and another thing: how can i play my class to it's full potential if my class is incomplete? We're not all rangers mate.

all i ve said is aiming on the "ranger vs. Sb" ,.. i totally agree rangers > hunters .... since hunters styles are just very very baaad , which is livelike ! (patch)

Ronian wrote:There is one guy that has played ranger on live. He made ranger here and went on to NS and we are the opinion that ns is better.

NS is more easy !
its fact ,..
maybe rangers can kill Sbs/infis more easily ,... but as a melee ranger you really got trouble killing mages (that react well)
as long as they have bubble up ,.. and its a 1vs1 ,..
i was always jealous of my RL mates NS ,. he just PA and maybe CD ,.. and i as a ranger had to have purge up or simply would be CCed ,. if you werent able to kill bubble and then side strafe right after that

Celad wrote:Uh and about Ronia's last post: my mom told me that she think Scout is better than ranger, this is a proof too that rangers are not OP so please stop this discussion.

WOW! another great argument ! now i believe you that rangers are OP!!
come one ,.. its the QQ-Ranger-whiners turn to show up rangers are OP ,.. which they didnt ! they just QQ as in all other ranger QQ topics,...

Noir wrote:it's fun wait kryptonite said : people complain agains't rangers are always the same : yes , all class complain about ranger : who defend ranger ? only rangers ... coincidence ?

well.
complaining rangers are OP doesnt help you in any form ,. you should actually know after seeing your 10th whine topic got closed ....
and ,... im defending rangers cause im thinking you should learn to play your class ,.. and its not because i play a ranger ,..

http://herald.uthgard-server.net/herald ... r&p6=Gonna
without my Str/con charge i wont even think about playing it again

its strange how you as a 10l sb QQ about rangers and lose ,.. and 5l infis DID KILL ME!!!!!

thats why i defend rangers!!!!

Astealoth wrote:i personally don't think rangers are overpowered as a whole. if a melee ranger has ip2/3 of course he's going to beat a shadowblade. it's just a class advantage. it's like crying that your infiltrator died to a warrior because he used slam + conquer/sledge combo. daoc is not balanced, and there are inherent imbalances designed into the classes.

Yes i 100% agree!
thats good argumenting ...the first good argumenting after 6 pages of :
mimimi rangers are OP because: rangers are OP!
and its a SB ! as you should know

Cyan wrote:PS: I have an infi without viper 3 and i can't kill ranger, if viper will be nerfed nobody has chance to defeat them (rangers).

yes noone ever will kill a ranger again without viper3 ,.and viper3 will definatly be nerfed! but PD will be still there then

Cyan wrote:A simple list : Mos (Avoid assassin's pa and gives the chance to critcal shot with bow by far), Camouflage (Need to explain?), ip (need to explain?), purge 15 mins (viper, debuff...), BM stun and bleeding (...), PD (ops), free self-buffs (ops), RR5 ability (ops), Speed (ops)...

- without camu up you can completly forgot about even thinking about trying to land a critt shot
- you want IP for assasins? lol
- rangers shall have no access to purge? lol (REAPPLY POISENS WITH WEAPONSWITCH , if you dont ,.. dont even think about talking about skill!!! Rangers , once used purge, cant just "repurge" debuffs
- free selfbuffs !!!! WTF?! ,. are you serious? pathfinding in most cases is on highest spec level , using most of the skillpoints of all used spec lines,..
but yes its for free,...even envenome is more free as rangers selfbuffs are free !
PD: only few rangers have PD and if they have they are either high RR or gott bad RA spec imo...
PD: Viper!
Speed: yes its very unfair that Rangers got a speed burst self shout FOR FREE!!! ...

may i quote you here again :

Cyan wrote:Please guys, try to be serious...don't make this kind of posts

sry .. allthough i respect that you are the first one that actually tried to show up rangers are OP by using arguments ,... you gotta work on how you do ,..

but: its way better than just argumenting rangers are OP by saying Rangers are OP!

Tirax wrote:i see only 4 people pretending rangers arent oped. maybe because they all play one? Which level is yours?

it doesnt mind if there are 100ppl saying rangers are OPed and just 4 defending Rangers ,.. as long all the guys that claim rangers are OP wanna proof that by saying: "Rangers are OP! "
its just another topic you can laugh about ... as all mimimi posts before...
allthough a ranger opened this topic to show all whiners how to start a serious discussion!

Blitze wrote:I agree have never hit near 400dmg on my friar, they are not like fast warriors. (against a ranger. no chance in hell to hit that hard). Saying that i have had very even fights with rangers.. killing some and lost to others... but killing them is very hard and even in the event they are losing.. they can always rr5 or speed to get away, a friar cannot escape. always use there skillpoints for increase passive damage.

Friars are THE Ranger killers !!!! .,..
and your RR 5 is WAY better than the Rangers ,...

Snigel wrote:Vote for close, one more thread for the trolls. Nothing else

I´m sorry Eclipsed

agree ,.. they had their chance to actually bring up REAL arguments!

or let it open so all QQ can be posted here ,..

Ronian wrote:Even with 66 cd I hit often 4 of 5 single handed

At least you hit often, heh.

Snigel wrote:Vote for close, one more thread for the trolls. Nothing else

I´m sorry Eclipsed

Oh?

Is one thread at the top bothering you?
dont read it very simple.