panachier wrote:you know that PA do 400/500 dammage on a char? you know that garrot+envenom do arround 250/300 dammage? so PA or not PA there is no difference on a fight.

and anyway one vs one, once you are stuned for a long time, you are dead. you can ask it to a reaver .

i don't know why you complain so much about stealthers, they are weak in melee. maybe you are just missing some reflex (sure if you are walking and you get 2 or 3 hit before reacting, that's to long.) or maybe you complain about chars that have dex/q st/c hast AF ablativ add dammage charge and solo template... and they kill group chars unbuffed...

even being fullbufed i have sometimes problem to kill fighters... if there is a problem it's that stealthers are to nerfed. CS is quite useless now except for garrot's snare maybe, other way stealthers are just a mix melee/caster.

the one that complain about stelather, please roll one and so post again

offtopic: please, oh please refrain from writing such long posts with your english, I'm sick and tired of trying to decipher what you wanted to say every time you write a post.

ontopic: no stealthers are not "too nerfed" (thats what you were trying to say I suppose) and no they are not easy mode either. They are just as they should be imo. And person who started this thread wasn't complaining about how strong stealthers are anyway, he was complaining about how heavy tanks are not as tough as they should be.
Oh and 400-500 dmg followed by a 7 sec stun is nothing?


@mfassben did I say anything in this post about everyone that doesn't write perfect english? All I said is that Panachier should write shorter posts.
So you can drop the "DEFENDER OF THE FLAMED ONES" attitude.

@Zaraki

Could you please stop reading this Forum, when all you can do is flame ppl that don´t write perfect english because its not their native tongue?
I´m sick and tired of this kind of attitude.

OT:
As stated before,the only thing thats OP for stealthers is Viper,the Dot alone does 30%+ damage on unbuffed targets,and the reason it is so strong is because Mythic developed it with Buffboted chars in mind.I know its working as intended,and no i won´t whine,but thats just how it is (and the reason why each and every single stealther has Viper 3 as main RA before getting any other RAs that would be more typical for live).

Greetz,
Player of Islana

Islana ..maybe you´re wrong.

Like Rot wrote in other thread are the dmg of viper 1-2 are okay, but viper 3 dmg is around 40dmg too high.

Would be nice if the Staff could check the implemented value of viper 3.

For QQer:
- We got PA fix => around 50% less PA/Bs dmg => no chance for easy kill a tank on same RR and solo RAs (important for crying about imbah stealther who are rr6+ with solo RAs...it´s normal that low RR and grp specced RA one has problems with us and this is fine so)

-Viper 1-2 works how it should

-Viper 3 needs a little fix , here you can find Rot´s post(everyone cries about too high dmg ,but nobody seems to be interested to answer/test/discuss about it in Rot´s way): http://www.uthgard.the-bart.org/modules ... pic&t=7777

And now close this stupid discussion -..why i have a so weak class... i believe i can kill everything with 1 hit ...exspecially stealthers ...cause i´m a great godlike heavy tank..- /sarcasm

He killed me before stun ended and that's wrong! Heavy tanks are not tough enough! It's HEAVY tank! But here is not heavy at all! And you know that, but you stick to stupid 1.80 patch! Bah!

if heavy tanks get more hp my caster should have more dmg! and my healer more mana because he goes oom so fast! but u stick to 1.80 !=(

No, you don't get it. Your caster doesn't have less dmg than other casters and your healer does not have less mana than other healers, but heavy tank IS weaker than other tanks, heavy tank's advantage is that he is tougher, but here he doesn't have this advantage.

Get same RR (rr6 or 7) , take IP2 and Purge 2 and if you lose after this you´re a bad player.

Your whining about weak heavy tanks is nonsense. Watch Heralds highest heavy tank of hibernia is 8l1... hmm i think he can´t get so many kills and grps , when his char is so weak.

other thing:

1 rr8 hero
1 rr6 hero
5 rr5 hero (1 in my guild, could beat every infi)
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10 rr4 hero (2 in my guild ; 1 can beat eshhee rr7 infi)

vs

1 rr7 infi
3 rr6 infi
3 rr5 infi
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19 rr4 infi

Before PA dmg was fixed (means ~700 dmg without crit) , rr5 hero of my guild could kill Infis easily after PA+CD .

Viper could be a problem for everyone ... but for a heavy tank with unbuffed 1600+ HP it´s nothing (when you have also the right solo RAs!!!!!)

a heavy tank without capped con, dex, hps, resis, parry- and shieldskill, MasteryofBlocking and without a 99% quali enchanted armor with smhb proccs and an additional AF charge running isnt as heavy as he could be

Ranius wrote:No, you don't get it. Your caster doesn't have less dmg than other casters and your healer does not have less mana than other healers, but heavy tank IS weaker than other tanks, heavy tank's advantage is that he is tougher, but here he doesn't have this advantage.

when u say my healer dont have less mana then other healers ur fulltank dont have lesser hp then other fulltanks^^

(cleric - healer - drood, got same mana and warrior-hero-armsman) same hp armsman got abs bonus bud malus in parry warrior got more ws and can skill 50/50/28 without malus in 1 or 2handed but is midgard ^^ hero can specc parry with 42/50/39 specc

@panach: I'm not complaining with "stealthers kill me, they are overpowered nerf them!"
I kill without many problems the higher rr stealthers in the server (ask rentina)
Simply, I always remind that: same rr, wihtout using ra: Assassin vs shield tank = shield tank victory. Here it's the opposite

Yes , it´s right.

i don't understand how a tank could kill a stealther even with all the HP you could give him...

without charge ( i really think that charge with a snare is a bug but nayru stated its as it should be , same thing with charge+ root and caba RR5 that is not insta) you can't win. snare+ dot and fighter will loose 600HP with one hit without being able to do anything.

i think heavy tanks are good for solo rvr. if you get MOB3. shield 42+. IP2. purge2 ... you can kill any fighter but not a caster or a stealther with skill.

a good stealther is not smdy that do PA+ CD and so kill or is killed. stealther can be much more powerfull and kill 2 and maybe 3 players if they play with the crowd control they have. when there will be good stealthers and good stealthers team on uthgard, so you could complain.

NERF STEALTHERS!

Close pls.

and the reason why each and every single stealther has Viper 3 as main RA before getting any other RAs that would be more typical for live).

hmm rofl, i just use viper2 and kill almost every tank even without pa+cd (with some exceptions i dont like to attack, and those are mostly hybrids ^^)

No, you don't get it. Your caster doesn't have less dmg than other casters and your healer does not have less mana than other healers, but heavy tank IS weaker than other tanks, heavy tank's advantage is that he is tougher, but here he doesn't have this advantage.

QQ did you ever notice, that assasins styles are not implemented correctly...no absorbs debuff here, even if its known for a long time ? you like more hps ? but thne pls face lowered absorb hrhr....

and talking bout viper being op without bbs is also stupid, cause viper was chooseable as an ra for ns long before bbs became standard.... ^^

the longer this thread is running the more i have to laugh, bout a frustrated tank being killed by some stealther ...

on this server you will just meet 3 really good stealthers and you QQ even if you got killed by some random one ? what you gonna do when you face a really good one ? ^^

a fulltank NEVER can never have any chance vs. stealther when he dont want it....(as long he has purge2 or is skilled enough with purge1 ^^)

and bout pa issue.....pa isnt of any use vs. a tank, cause the st/con debuff will make almost the same effect like the pa dmg ...just for ur info ! (+ lowering your WS to almost the same lvl like the assasin has ^^)

so dont cry...better train and respec !!