Synderen wrote:

fiskgrodan wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:Ofc the alb groups that dominate the mid groups play good. To build a working albgroup you need good player, that is why alb have a hard time building working pugs.
All I am saying is that it is really hard for albs to just pick up /lfg guys and go for it. This works a lot better in midgard, and this is the time = rp point, that makes the sick mids lead every category in herald. You can lfg at any time and find a group that at least can kill something.

On the other hand alb is the strongest realm when it comes to set- or poolgroups. Pets are way too strong in this old RA setup, and albs are the king of pets. If it is countless theurg pets, red minstrel pets (kind of immune to cc) or cabba pets...

All you can do as a mid tank or hybrid group is push like stupid, only rely on insta heals and rupt and hope to kill some caster fast.

Maybe a caster group would do better against albs, dunno... but the pve grind to make new chars...

You guys zerg and do relic fights a lot which full caster groups are efficient and fun to play in. It would definitely be worth level some caster alt chars for imo.

Something like: pac, aug, shm, rc-rm and 4x dark-rm would be great. A lot of aoe nukes, aoe disease, aoe stuns, nearsighters and a cold debuff to spike down single targets quickly and power efficiently.

Clearly you know very little about Drachengarde on uth2.... 95% of the time we run around with 8 man, fighting other 8 mans. If we zerg, then its because we either got zerged ourselves and teamed up to fight that, or the fact that there simply are no 8 man action that day... Dont judge DG uth2 for what they DG were on uth1 please...

I'm not judging anyone. I don't see zerging, relic or keep fighting as something negative. Big RvR fights etc is what the game was designed for.

Symmetrical fights like 1v1, 8v8, XvX etc are fine and can be a lot of fun too.

Zerging, adding, "8 man no adding" all goes fine.

Problem comes when people tries to force their playstyle on others, or reach RRxx and suddenly moves from one group to the other and points fingers at the ones in their previous group.

DG on Uth 1.0, while being annoying, never lied about what they did.
They added, and didn't back of if others added. But they never complained when the tables turned.

Mid tank groups are pretty much 1-2-3, while alb/hib caster/hybrid groups are more complex. I won´t say that they require more skill than mid, because skill is relevant regardless of char you play - it´s mostly about being max efficient per second - even on a class like wizard (positioning, timing, etc).

But I agree in a sense that alb is superior to mid, unless mids are average rr7-8 and run the easy setup - 3 healers. To be honest, I would run it as well, cause if you can choose easier one that has insta heaven and survivability - then why not? But mids ALWAYS have the upper hand if alb caster/hybrid makes a mistake. Why? Cause they just run in and burn all their instas. But it can be countered and countered well - but all is reliant on players and everyone makes mistakes, the whole human experience.

But we are finally giving a hard time to Casuals (Astro & 3 healer grp w Amo) - which we couldn´t do at rr2 for obvious reasons. And I like the challenge, sometimes Maramar has a 2nd grp w tanks as well and they are also nifty to fight.

Regardless of the population, I´m glad these guys still play and that we have nice fights day in and day out!

See you and hope we don´t get added on

Synderen wrote:

fiskgrodan wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:Ofc the alb groups that dominate the mid groups play good. To build a working albgroup you need good player, that is why alb have a hard time building working pugs.
All I am saying is that it is really hard for albs to just pick up /lfg guys and go for it. This works a lot better in midgard, and this is the time = rp point, that makes the sick mids lead every category in herald. You can lfg at any time and find a group that at least can kill something.

On the other hand alb is the strongest realm when it comes to set- or poolgroups. Pets are way too strong in this old RA setup, and albs are the king of pets. If it is countless theurg pets, red minstrel pets (kind of immune to cc) or cabba pets...

All you can do as a mid tank or hybrid group is push like stupid, only rely on insta heals and rupt and hope to kill some caster fast.

Maybe a caster group would do better against albs, dunno... but the pve grind to make new chars...

You guys zerg and do relic fights a lot which full caster groups are efficient and fun to play in. It would definitely be worth level some caster alt chars for imo.

Something like: pac, aug, shm, rc-rm and 4x dark-rm would be great. A lot of aoe nukes, aoe disease, aoe stuns, nearsighters and a cold debuff to spike down single targets quickly and power efficiently.

Clearly you know very little about Drachengarde on uth2.... 95% of the time we run around with 8 man, fighting other 8 mans. If we zerg, then its because we either got zerged ourselves and teamed up to fight that, or the fact that there simply are no 8 man action that day... Dont judge DG uth2 for what they DG were on uth1 please...

Syndaren... how come you know so good what DA did in the past on uthgard 2 when you havent been that active from what I know (Prostidudes on mid to rr4 in the begining? and Rainbow on hib to rr2? Wouldnt call that extremly active on the rvr scene to judge what DA did and done on uthgard 2.

Saying that DA run 95% of their time as 8 man is not totally true. Perhaps now yes,I agree. Flump and DA used to zerg and run 2-3fg very offen back in the days. DA started to run 8 man more offen when they reached higher realm rank.

Ask any active guild/players on the rvr scene from the time february to june/july'ish.

Skallman wrote:
Syndaren... how come you know so good what DA did in the past on uthgard 2 when you havent been that active from what I know (Prostidudes on mid to rr4 in the begining? and Rainbow on hib to rr2? Wouldnt call that extremly active on the rvr scene to judge what DA did and done on uthgard 2.

Saying that DA run 95% of their time as 8 man is not totally true. Perhaps now yes,I agree. Flump and DA used to zerg and run 2-3fg very offen back in the days. DA started to run 8 man more offen when they reached higher realm rank.

Ask any active guild/players on the rvr scene from the time february to june/july'ish.

First of all, its called DG, not DA, second, no where in my statement am I talking about DG on the first 3 month of the server. Im talking about DG on uth1(where i played for 8 years) and from my point of view being a member of DG the last 2 months...
And YES, we do only run 8 man setup unless we get zerged.

Your statement that DG zerged at the beginning is partly true, but at that time the population was so high, that there were often other zergs to fight, and a lot didnt give a ****** back then.. Just because i left PD at RR4 and started on hib, then you dont think you can follow the rvr scene???

You know nothing Jon Snow(Skallman)...

My bad. Its DG not DA

I just reacted when I saw the words 8man and DG in the same sentance. Since from what I remember DG used to zerg and run 2fg+ very offen back in the days, not only the first three months as you said.

I just made an statement about it. DG used to zerg from atleast ~february untill june/july or so, untill they reached higher realm ranks.Thats more like 5-6 months not 3 months from when the server went live

Ofc you can follow the rvr scene whilenot being active in rvr. But if you arent out in the frotnier you dont know who zergs or add offen, judgeing only by rp's.

Altho I agree, last 2-3 months DG mostly run 8 man. Thumbs up

Skallman wrote:My bad. Its DG not DA

I just reacted when I saw the words 8man and DG in the same sentance. Since from what I remember DG used to zerg and run 2fg+ very offen back in the days, not only the first three months as you said.

I just made an statement about it. DG used to zerg from atleast ~february untill june/july or so, untill they reached higher realm ranks.Thats more like 5-6 months not 3 months from when the server went live

Ofc you can follow the rvr scene whilenot being active in rvr. But if you arent out in the frotnier you dont know who zergs or add offen, judgeing only by rp's.

Altho I agree, last 2-3 months DG mostly run 8 man. Thumbs up

I have been actively playing with DG since June, and in this time we have not been zerging.

I actually knew more than you would know about the rvr scene, who zerged and who didnt, as i was in TS/Discord with the guildies of Rainbow who were out rvring every night, when i was endlessly farming fins etc.

DG is running 8 man for many months now ... but they still add on sight ... so don't know what to say about it xD

ayakoi wrote:DG is running 8 man for many months now ... but they still add on sight ... so don't know what to say about it xD

Lets call it a 8man zerg due to low pop

ayakoi wrote:DG is running 8 man for many months now ... but they still add on sight ... so don't know what to say about it xD

Depends on whos leading. ;D

ayakoi wrote:DG is running 8 man for many months now ... but they still add on sight ... so don't know what to say about it xD

I would call it just RvR?

Any mids know why the 40 mid BG dissolved after albs won at Excal?

Was really weird, alb BG kept expecting mids to roll back in, but all we saw was some 1½ group at Crim.

Spivo wrote:Any mids know why the 40 mid BG dissolved after albs won at Excal?

Was really weird, alb BG kept expecting mids to roll back in, but all we saw was some 1½ group at Crim.

With the fear of spilling too much intell, I will still answere this truthfully.

Mid BGs in the Europe primetime usually last for 2 hours. 20:00 CET to 22:00 CET. Lately they have taken place in Alb frontiers unless there have been cleaning up to be done in own frontier.
Yesterday, from my understanding, people had to log and as many times before ending the BG with suicide on Hotel Excalibur to visit old friends (str relics).

When it gets close to 22:00 CET and the BG is about to disband, the leaders usually call for a RK attack, not depending on /bg count, ram count, or number of albs. but just to go out the midgard way.. In battle.. Sure some would argue its rp feeding running to a RK without the needed rams, manpower, or whatever winconditions who the vikings dont meet. But it must still be way better than ending at Renaris, and then die to lvl 99 guards at Castle Sauvage and call it from there.

I know this sort of intell is something the enemies can use for their advanges, I just hope that instead we will see more action within this timeframe now that its out there when mids are ready to play. Its not much, two hours a night. but with this population lets make the best out of it.

With all of that said, gz to the new owners of power relics! its been a hell of a ride keeping them in Grallahorn, some mids(Romps who is now on alb) said mids could never hold them for long and "we" didnt want them or need them Other mids stepped up massivly to help their realm, taking charge of BGs, donating wood and plat for repairs, comming up with new tactics including decoys, fake raids and whatnot. It has been brilliant! Eventhough i made my spiritmaster purely to stand in the relic room and spam pbaoe when the baddies ran up the ramp, that never happend due to succesfully defending first two gates, or enemy raiders succesfully breaching at hours where I was asleep.

Anyways shoutout to mids for upping their games, special thanks to Legacy guild who became a big player and hopefully will continue to leave a possitive mark on the relic scene.

^ you're obviously delusional

mids can't hold relics, which is also why they lost it last night.

virulent- wrote:^ you're obviously delusional

mids can't hold relics, which is also why they lost it last night.

I dont think anyone expected mids to hold 3 relics for ever, granted it was powerrelics on the melee realm just makes it even more supricing how long midgard held onto them for this long. Can we agree on that?

Everyone made it sound like midgard would not hold 3 powerrelics for more than a day, after they were initially captured. if it took albs/hibs this long because hibs wanted the burden gone, albs not too serious about getting them or whatever the "real" reason might be.

but sure mids dont have the numbers to cover 24/7 I never said they did,.