Tbh i wrote som facts about OF and NF. And you start saying im delusional etc.

You think if you make a long enough reply the things you write are true.
But its fun to read

I wish I could say the same.

@Icharus
Ah, a wizard-doctor AND a moderator, are we?

I have insulted no one, with Trishin I was talking about the quoted post and not him personally (which he is aware of or he would've said something himself), and with you and the other... person I was only responding to unprovoked trolling directed at me, WHILE trying to lead a constructive discussion. You are here only to troll, as can be seen by the content of your posts, or should I say - the lack of any.

However I am surprised that you came clean about identifying yourself with the "all the idiots" bit, since you haven't even posted in this topic when that was written. I must say that your honesty is refreshing, and more of your kind should follow your example as it makes you much easier to properly keep track of.

Edit: ooooh and you mentioned The Final Solution! BONUS POINTS

I just came to Uthgard last week and truly the main reasons I came was because it was free and had the largest population on Portal. I like OF and NF evenly, and my dream would to be to have a switch between OF and NF every month, even though that would probably be unrealistic.

I feel that I must agree with Nymeros, Maidrion Davidoff, and Zarkor to name a few that OF is not the way to go. I have been playing only 5 years on uthgard an only lately started to use the forums. I'm not sure if anyone is aware but server population is dropping in non-primetime hours. I don't know what the player count is on peak but I saw from 220 players to 130 players in the last few weeks on the hours I play.

I worry that if OF is not fixed soon or NF not made as a back up plan, that players are going to get burned out on leave due to lack of years old of bugs in classes or lack of OF improvements. I myself prefer NF then OF.

I have no clue on what Uthgard pulls down for Donations but I would hate to see this server be put down due to lack of funding because the righteousness of one administrator or the arcane version of OF by a group of players who are holding onto there youthful memory's. People forget that there is a reason Mythic didn't stay with OF....and there population boomed with NF. While it can be said that OF boomed this servers population as well, I think players got old of the i50 servers and wanted a change, and came here, I think they forgot how crappy OF really was...

On a personal note, I have loaded up my old wow account on Omegawow server because its SOOOO dead in RVR on the hours I play, this includes BG's and Emain. While my play time might not matter to the prime time players, I feel this drop in player population is not just going to affect me, but eventually all hours of players.

Nothing like being in Wilton for 1.5 HOURS and know one to kill. I got use to that in Emain and making alts... But to be dead in thid, wilton and brae! something is wrong...

Last night i played to 5 am, yea i just quit uni so w/e :p

And there was really good action at this hour, in emain. had some awesome 3 v 3 fight vs some mids and as well as some albs.

davidoof wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:
I never read a valid argument for NF, its all nonsense to me...

you see where we are getting with this? nowhere.

nf keeps - as crappy as the OF ones, towers - nothing but a lousy try to encourage inc on an empty rvr map thats way to large,
port systems - awfull system leading to even more solo gameplay because of completly neglecting the need of speed and encouraging to run around solo wiping at the next porterbridge because of beeing outnumbered by the enemies stealthers,
relic system - as good as the OF system with keepguard upgrades by owned keeps, bonuses, siege materials - crafting 4twin its soooo exciting, nice lvl spots - wich aswell are existing in OF you´ll just have to go out and search for them if you don´t know them allready, bridges with water - leads me to vomit in pure agony that should be a + for NF?,no more long ways just for hibs - true but not that bad aswell as it takes the same time to port back to emain as it needs to run there, water-bridges - both horrible exploit areas ,
6 gates in agramon ( no more amg emain camping) - who cares about gates to agramon? its the setgroup playfield anyway ... it doesn´t matter if you have 1, 6 ir 124 gates to agra and its not OF´s fault that the setgroups need to run in emain for 8vs8 they could easily go to mid or alb to have fun fighting each other but that would deny the nice rps from casuals ,
working war map - jay the function that destroys the last part of realm communication and cooperation and much more was better

made my comments in red - as you prefer NF i prefer OF and we could discuss for ages about the pros and cons for every frontierzone. but in the end its all about adaptation of the given ruleset

Tankqull wrote:made my comments in red - as you prefer NF i prefer OF and we could discuss for ages about the pros and cons for every frontierzone. but in the end its all about adaptation of the given ruleset

I think at this point it would help if you told us what your main interest in the game is - solo stealther, 8vs8, ..?
Because some of your comments clearly show that you do not really appreciate the full breadth of gameplay options offered by NF (compared to OF), which would easily explain why you don't really care for it.

@Tankqull
Most of these comments are completely subjective and have absolutely no factual basis, not to mention that they reference some pre-defined imaginary version of NF that exists only in your head and perfectly complements your own arguments, such as: "as crappy", "empty rvr map", and my favorite - " even more solo gameplay ". EVEN MORE? Seriosuly!?

It's like if I wrote: "I don't like OF because only losers play there and I always get ganked and I am afraid of the zone of death around porting keeps"

I will provide a more detailed point by point reply when I get home tonight, but honestly this is (mostly, not all of it) just a version of "Agramon is laggy" written by using more words.

Lasastard wrote:

Tankqull wrote:made my comments in red - as you prefer NF i prefer OF and we could discuss for ages about the pros and cons for every frontierzone. but in the end its all about adaptation of the given ruleset

I think at this point it would help if you told us what your main interest in the game is - solo stealther, 8vs8, ..?
Because some of your comments clearly show that you do not really appreciate the full breadth of gameplay options offered by NF (compared to OF), which would easily explain why you don't really care for it.

Don't bother. His comments don't exactly scream insight.

Alpha Adept wrote:I feel that I must agree with Nymeros, Maidrion Davidoff, and Zarkor to name a few that OF is not the way to go.

Zarkor is an OF fan to be correct. In fact one of the few that has put forward decent reasoning apart from "deal with it" or "agramon lags".

NF is superior in every way. There is not a single aspect of gameplay that OF is better at. That is a FACT not my OPINION. And another thing, the number of players on Uthgard is not the problem, the problem is that 70%+ of those players are carebears who get their feelings hurt when they die in RvR. Maybe if the server stopped enforcing carebear friendly policies and if we realized that we can't "force" them to join rvr there would be some improvement.

Have to comment on that last post:
Why did NF never work on Uth? Why were we forced to offer instant ports to Agramon and had to plant masses of mobs into Agramon? Why there was a constant QQ about NF being way too large for Uth? Some of you have a very short memory and ignoring the dark facts about NF seems to be a new hobby.

Blue wrote:Why did NF never work on Uth? Why were we forced to offer instant ports to Agramon and had to plant masses of mobs into Agramon? Why there was a constant QQ about NF being way too large for Uth?

You obviously know the answer to this post: Uth population is low for a large RvR area. However i can't understand where is your point in this question if your will is to defend OF. OF is way to large anyway, in fact 90% of RvR is in just 1/3 of the whole frontier.
And if we want to answer in a good way to your candids questions we have to say that:

- Why did NF never work on Uth? <- Never? This is not a fact.
- Why were we forced to offer instant ports to Agramon and had to plant masses of mobs into Agramon? <- Aren't this the same things that people ask to you regarding OF? No wait at ports, better spots?
- Why there was a constant QQ about NF being way too large for Uth? <- The same problem is about OF. But in NF if you want to avoid enemyes you can do that without having to port in an empty zone, you can just choice a different route to reach your hot point. In OF this is impossible, and you know that. Ask albs. It's incredible how many time we have to write the same things on this forum.

i think NF would have worked on uthgard if it was implemented. as i recall it never was. you guys had it set up like a big BG. and even as a crazy custom level 50 BG it was really fun and quite active. i had more action in NF with 200 people on at prime time than i do here with 800 on at primetime with OF. the big thing for me was, porting was easier so a person or group would come back more times and we would have more fights. with OF a group is much much more inclined to rage log because of the long wait between fights. if you can come right back and only waiting res sick, you can get 5-6 fights from a person instead of 1 or 2. this and the loss of fun keep fights are my big qualms with OF. we had less keep raids in NF for a reason, because we could actually rally people to a keep to defend even with 1/4 the population.

Sounds familar? Does he speak about OF?
http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... =32&t=6712

Think about it.





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Let give me some more funny posts to deal with:

Everwar wrote:Well, i dont like at all new rvr zone, screw that.., i hate Agramon.
Im wondering the reason for all of us to be here; in a freeshard classic server... pretty easy, we HATE Master Levels, we HATE wtf retard new classes, we MISS old emain battles ( OMG BRING ME OLDSKOOL FIGHTS BACK ) even the ocassional zergs in our live servers were fun...
We left our live servers cuz we got tired of Mythic changes on RvR.... Changes not always means improving...

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... =32&t=6446

Think about it.







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Oh I like this one: http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... =42&t=6702
What double moral is that? Want to cause staff do extra work?

Maidrion wrote:I'm all for old Emain.

Though if this isn't possible I guess Agramon only is the best possibility. Or return to what it was: NF Emain only.

Maidrion wrote:

necator wrote:... OF is also very big we will get same prob like now.

Possibly but you had certain routes in Emain everyone took and milegates.

He (Runis) is talking about general player mentality which is the same in both OF and NF. The only difference is that OF actually limits positive player mentality and rewards negative (zerging, camping, closed set groups).

And btw - yes, he did speak about OF, many times. He spoke firmly AGAINST it, before he all but stopped playing/posting because of it. I'm sure you can search for those posts as well.

Uncustomized NF didn't work *well* (it most certainly wasn't a complete failure). Uncustomized OF is also not working well, and you the staff have yourself admitted this. But you have lost visible soloers, and keep fights. That's a negative balance as far as RvR is concerned. So try your OF changes, improvements and whatever you want to call them, build your CUSTOM OF, and then if that still doesn't work, give us back something that DID -Custom NF.


Edit: That second post is pure nonsense. He doesn't present even a single normal argument (Master Levels? ROFL?), as far as I can see he even wants to remove SI classes, and we should be in OF because he misses it? I wonder if he's still playing.

Oh wait, Last post, 2009, not to mention this:

Nayru wrote:Everwar has been banned from the forum. There is no problem with critisizing, but calling us facists and trying to raise players against us is a no go.

Do you really want us to start counting OF vs NF whines? If you do, just give as a new INGAME OF vs NF poll, and everything will be settled.


Edit2: And what double morals? I myself voted for OF. Many of us have said they want to change their votes, because they saw what a failure OF really is. Is it double morals to change your mind and admit you are wrong, or to stubbornly remain wrong forever?