Phaeton wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Toblerone who say about stun only det tanks? They can cast healers, shamans, casters or tanks without det. And this is make them powerfull.

no no, we're supposed to focus on the det tanks with over 2000 hp!

Well theoretically you can stun anyone, yes, but in practice those pesky tanks seem to attack cloth wearers and won't let them nuke down healers freely.

vangonaj wrote:Toblerone who say about stun only det tanks? They can cast healers, shamans, casters or tanks without det. And this is make them powerfull.

They cant cause:

1. they need to run away from tanks and stun is 1.5k range only
2. stun duration IS REDUCED BY RESISTS so its 50-60% on mid caster targets...

Phaeton wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Toblerone who say about stun only det tanks? They can cast healers, shamans, casters or tanks without det. And this is make them powerfull.

no no, we're supposed to focus on the det tanks with over 2000 hp!

Ok. But if they will kill healers, who will heal this uber tanks?^^

Yup killing healers first with a caster group is such a simple task. Shows you never really played a mage in daoc at all.

Toblerone wrote:Yup killing healers first with a caster group is such a simple task. Shows you never really played a mage in daoc at all.

Sometimes happens.

Phaeton wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Toblerone who say about stun only det tanks? They can cast healers, shamans, casters or tanks without det. And this is make them powerfull.

no no, we're supposed to focus on the det tanks with over 2000 hp!

Yes, cause those 2k hp det5 stoicism tanks are totally ccable and you don't have to worry about them running over you with sos>aog>charge, you can totally push and assist on support.

This isn't classic daoc, it never will be. Uthgard is special because there was never a live server with uthgard ruleset so a lot of experiences and theories from live just don't hold up here.

vangonaj wrote:

Toblerone wrote:Yup killing healers first with a caster group is such a simple task. Shows you never really played a mage in daoc at all.

Sometimes happens.

If it happens it's the supporters fault for pushing in 1st, not because hib casters are powerful. I can't even imagine a healer getting into nuke range.

A well rounded group with skilled players can take out a mid celerity group. You just have to change your approach. If your lacking skilled players well then not much we can do there. Like Phaeton said, back in December hibs were owning it up, 6 relics, higher population. This server goes in cycles and will have underpopulated and overpopulated realms. Right now it's midgard, in April it might be Albion...

Insta aoe mezz from bard and caster assist. And in mid groups pac healer ever lead, is first visible target. I dont say that this happens ever, but happens sometimes.

Alshandra wrote:A well rounded group with skilled players can take out a mid celerity group. You just have to change your approach. If your lacking skilled players well then not much we can do there. Like Phaeton said, back in December hibs were owning it up, 6 relics, higher population. This server goes in cycles and will have underpopulated and overpopulated realms. Right now it's midgard, in April it might be Albion...

Well this kind of is the point.

I don't know about hib, but you need a good alb set grp to beat a bad/mediocre mid pug.

That's why we need some balance here.

vangonaj wrote:Insta aoe mezz from bard and caster assist. And in mid groups pac healer ever lead, is first visible target. I dont say that this happens ever, but happens sometimes.

No it doesn't happen.

Braxis wrote:Well this kind of is the point.

I don't know about hib, but you need a good alb set grp to beat a bad/mediocre mid pug.

That's why we need some balance here.

Well you can beat a bad mid pug with a mediocre alb/hib tank spam group. But if you have a caster group with not so good support/casters get ready for a lot of releasing

Yes this happens or you never did rvr.

You rvr on a shadowblade, what ?

Ok, why cant happens? And i have more chars.

Can't happen"s" because it just doesn't. Forum fictional theoretical stories don't apply to real time rvr, you should remember that.