Dude, what ?

200 damage is pretty damn low for a 5.5 speed bow, yes.

Spankme wrote:Dude, what ?

200 damage is pretty damn low for a 5.5 speed bow, yes.

okay what target did he hit? what resists did he have? did he have buffs?


too many variables to compare 2 dmges..


not gonna discuss this anymore - bow dmg needs fix as stated by me many times

however saying 200 dmg is low dmg compared to assasins dmg is just pure BS as u have no idea what targets each had and tbh id like to see an assasin doing 200 mainhand anytime styled as people say xD i dont, my enemies dont, who does?

200 damage every 3.4 secs is pretty good damage ? your kidding right ?

60 modified bow skill self dex/quick buff and dex pot , Full SC gear and I'm hitting cloth casters for 200 every 3.2 secs... that is utterly pathetic, what damage dealing class has less DPS than hunter.. please tell me?

As a hunter on Uthgard, I'm still trying to figure out who my intended targets are?

There is not one class that stands out that I have an advantage over 1 on 1.

On live there were many that at worst I had a 50/50% chance depending on what RA's were up, evades etc. Of course some classes I Avoided because I rarely had a chance as it should be.

On Uthgard I would find myself avoiding most classes if I wasn't actually very stubborn and fight even because I don't care if I lose, I just want to fight.

Some blaring differences between live and Uthgard and I'm talking 1.80 and before.

On live my crit shot had a chance of critting so every once in a while I would get a big damage hit from my critshot on a caster for like 600 or 700 damage. This difference also makes the Falcons Eye RA pretty much worthless.


At level 50 I could get a level 42 pet, Uthgard only level 40.

Bow damage is definately lower.

what is with the wierd mechanics of our crit shot on this server, I don't recall it ever working like this on live at any point ?

Assassins poisons definately have a much larger impact on this server than on live as no Buffbots and Toa gear so huge impact on low relative hitpoints. On live if I got the jump on the assasin and got a few arrows in him I had a fair chance of winning. On Uthgard I have pretty much 0 Chance unless he is just a complete gimp.

Melee rangers are animals I get owned even if I get several arrows in them first. It was that way on live for a while but on live I don't think rangers got PD and they did nerf down some of the ranger dual wield and melee damage at some point, Although I can't remember if that was pre 1.80 or not.

I'm not proposing nerfing anyone (well maybe viper a little) but please at least bring the hunter up having a 50/50 chance vs his counterparts.

I really do not want to be just another Leeching archer because as it stands that's pretty much the only way to get much Realm points to get the RA's needed to be even remotely competitive.

nixian wrote:
okay what target did he hit? what resists did he have? did he have buffs?


too many variables to compare 2 dmges..


not gonna discuss this anymore - bow dmg needs fix as stated by me many times

have nothing more to say

well i hope they really are looking into upping the bow damage, fixing critshot toggle. And i hope they are not still taking all there advice about it from zip. I know him since purga when he joined us rangers as an amatur, sitting in the back , as we did all the work lol. I dont think he ever played class daoc on live and i know this because i know two ranger who played on live, way back during toa and just before cata i think. We argue with him all the time about his tests. His tests which are based off of current live ARMSMAN crossbow damage. Crossbow damage, give me a break. One, real archer classes are on a diff bow table then some armsman. Just because he can spec crossbow doesnt make it like normal bow. Plus you dont know what changes have been made to the crossbow, since the new archery was added. Makes it hard now to test how arhcery was , and taking 2handed damage table from a crossbow and saying all archery are now crossbow classes, is insulting lol. We have 2handed RANGED. Give me plat armor, give me higher defenses, higher HP, then you can give me crossbow damage lol. Just remember the testing he does is because that is what he likes to do, crafting and testing. Actual playing skills and understanding the classes and daoc, isnt something you should be asking him. No offense to him, i respec some of the testing he does online, but when it comes to things with the ranger, id ask silverleaf or moonshot lol, both are real classic ranger, who knows archery.

Till then, im just playing my enchanter and valewalker. I love my ranger, but he isnt a archer, he is just a weak stealther with a crossbow lol.

Hello everyone,

First post have to say I agree with thread starter and swift.

Ive actually stopwatched the average time for each class listed at 50 to kill me..at full health at lvl 49 with buffs

Archers: Scouts only havent seen any hunters at 50 cept for melee guess that says alot. Beastmaster and fireants standing still crit shot(usually in the high 300's).. 10 seconds on average before death.

Mages: wizards,BD,runemaster,sm... average time 5 seconds..

Melee/Assassin: Skald,SB,Inf,zerker,savage,warrior .. average time 4 seconds Comet, Stormina,Noir,natan common people seen around HMG

Me myself, as Pookies with starting points from the character creation all in dex up to where it had 1 left sitting now at 49 a total of 337dex(buffed) aug dex 2 and falcon's eye 4.. at lvl 49 with mp lvl 51 5.5 bow and fully sc templated gear 48 into pathfinding can only add/assist on people already being attacked by realm mates.. I could never kill anyone by myself..I wait patient at hmg and wait till a battle brews and leech which is all im good for.

I even respecd out of melee after not being able to shoot and then melee people down..hybrid style never once was I successful with lvl 51 99% weapons fully sc'd now at full bow its worse then before, realizing that bow was.. purposely turned down or nerfed as some like to say I rolled another ranger..

To anyone who is currently playing a ranger or hunter and scout.. I recommend you go strictly melee my alt whom I rolled after my frustrations with a sniper dare I call them that..was a very very pleasing surprise..OP as far as im concerned

At lvl 37 if I find solo melee classes even assassins in wilton as a melee ranger. I win for the most part..there isnt really any chance unless they were to shield slam me or stun me in general. The spec is simple.. but the most important thing is PD.

RA's

PD
MoP

Spec:

CD 25
Pierce 34
Path 30
Yep no stealth I figure with 1+15 ill get attacked more by assassin's and thats what I want ^^ just my spec you can do whatever you want.

@ 50

CD 50
Pierce 34
Path 46(last melee dmg and AF buff)

Eclipsed wrote:well i hope they really are looking into upping the bow damage, fixing critshot toggle. And i hope they are not still taking all there advice about it from zip. I know him since purga when he joined us rangers as an amatur, sitting in the back , as we did all the work lol. I dont think he ever played class daoc on live and i know this because i know two ranger who played on live, way back during toa and just before cata i think. We argue with him all the time about his tests. His tests which are based off of current live ARMSMAN crossbow damage. Crossbow damage, give me a break. One, real archer classes are on a diff bow table then some armsman. Just because he can spec crossbow doesnt make it like normal bow. Plus you dont know what changes have been made to the crossbow, since the new archery was added. Makes it hard now to test how arhcery was , and taking 2handed damage table from a crossbow and saying all archery are now crossbow classes, is insulting lol. We have 2handed RANGED. Give me plat armor, give me higher defenses, higher HP, then you can give me crossbow damage lol. Just remember the testing he does is because that is what he likes to do, crafting and testing. Actual playing skills and understanding the classes and daoc, isnt something you should be asking him. No offense to him, i respec some of the testing he does online, but when it comes to things with the ranger, id ask silverleaf or moonshot lol, both are real classic ranger, who knows archery.

Till then, im just playing my enchanter and valewalker. I love my ranger, but he isnt a archer, he is just a weak stealther with a crossbow lol.

Thanks, no offense taken. I had a hunter on live btw, prior to toa. However, I would challenge you (and anyone else here) to produce evidence confirming or refutting whether or not bow damage is supposed to be based off of something other than what I tested for it already. If you can find something (anything at this point) that can support these claims, then I (speaking as an archer also) would be appreciative. If we want to start maknig things up for damages, then i'd like to place my order in for 5 x current bow damage. i want all my rapid fire shots to hit for 1000 damage a hit, and that's after resists.

give me your evidence that claims that archer classes bows are the same as crossbow damage table. Which im asking, give me proof that you have tested crossbow damage compared to recurve or any of the other 2 bow types, to prove they do the same damage, at simular specs. And yes i know there is new archery and that really isnt possible anymore, but somewhere you must of read it, since you claim it is.

By what you think, i better off just make a Saracen Armsman, with +18 to dex at the start and at 50 just get a +75 spec dex and a +25 base dex bot or buff from someone, and ill have 288 dex. Which is only 5 dex lower then my luri ranger with PF dex/qui , but no pot. And i will be able to normal shot for the exact same damage. Yes no critshot or rapid, but what do i get. Plate, defense, more HP, a fricken tank class, decent melee spec with 40 crossbow spec. Just need to find the slowest crossbow, but overall it will be the same dps. May not have stealth, but who needs it when you can run in grps then.

There is no way a armsman can have compared bow damage to a specialized archer.

Eclipsed wrote:give me your evidence that claims that archer classes bows are the same as crossbow damage table. Which im asking, give me proof that you have tested crossbow damage compared to recurve or any of the other 2 bow types, to prove they do the same damage, at simular specs. And yes i know there is new archery and that really isnt possible anymore, but somewhere you must of read it, since you claim it is.

Sure thing:

http://www.uthgard-server.net/modules.p ... ic&t=10628


and

http://www.uthgard-server.net/modules.p ... 6693#96693


I've shown you my sources, now show me yours =)

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Eclipsed wrote:The topic or post you requested does not exist

Try the link again. i used an old link that pointed to the old location of the thread so i had to repost the test thread back to the public bug report forum.

so your proof is that crossbows are on the same table as celtic spear (2h).

So where do i find the tests that prove that a rangers bow is on the same 2h/celtic spear/crossbow damage table ? An actual test that involes at least a ranger, hunter, or a scout. If those 3 are not in the test, its not valid.

Have you at least tryed getting a lvl 50 ranger on current live, spec to 50 bow, and use the highest normal shot, to see what it does for damage, compared to the 2h celtic spear ? Or crossbow. Now i know that is new arhcery, but if you didnt test it in the past before the new archery, there isnt anything you can do. And anyway, if you are correct about the crossbow being on the damage damage table as the archery for a ranger, you should still get the same results right. Wether its new archery or old.

Eclipsed wrote:so your proof is that crossbows are on the same table as celtic spear (2h).

So where do i find the tests that prove that a rangers bow is on the same 2h/celtic spear/crossbow damage table ? An actual test that involes at least a ranger, hunter, or a scout. If those 3 are not in the test, its not valid.

Have you at least tryed getting a lvl 50 ranger on current live, spec to 50 bow, and use the highest normal shot, to see what it does for damage, compared to the 2h celtic spear ? Or crossbow. Now i know that is new arhcery, but if you didnt test it in the past before the new archery, there isnt anything you can do. And anyway, if you are correct about the crossbow being on the damage damage table as the archery for a ranger, you should still get the same results right. Wether its new archery or old.

Read the sources i linked. They are PRE Toa testing. If these arent sufficient for you then i emplore you to find some other sources on your own. This is the best i could find


http://betavnboards.ign.com/galahad/b20663/53619594/p1

http://web.archive.org/web/200307262029 ... c=51295145

http://web.archive.org/web/200402120230 ... rchery.htm

http://vnboards.ign.com/daoc_general_bo ... 316434/p12

Eclipsed wrote: I love my ranger, but he isnt a archer, he is just a weak stealther with a crossbow lol.

Player Eclipsed Realmrank 4.3 .

If you wanna be an archer, just like i said some posts ago, maybe you should train "Falcon's Eye" instead PD4 at your rr and go 50 in bow instead CD.

40+14 bow
34 + 14 pierc
21 + 14 cd
34 + 14 stealth (150 unit base detection )
40 pf

FE 3
mos 3
pd 1
and so on

I know how to spec my ranger, i spec to melee and decent or hopefuly decent bow damage. 50 bow spec = no melee, im not going that way.