So I notice that on the rare occasions when Mid doesnt have DF its Hib who has it. Do people play Alb just to roll Necros and PvE all day long?

Albs are not that much interested in taking keeps that provide nothing (no RPs, no XP, we dont even have relics where we would need keeps for relicguards, ...)

However, they are very RvR active.

Statistics:

http://www.incguild.com/herald

Videos and/or Streamer and/or VODs:

Ron: https://www.twitch.tv/rongamingtv

Ron VoDs: https://www.twitch.tv/rongamingtv/videos/all

Prime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C4lnnx5pOQ

Dark Dawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rzkuK7lNTQ

Other RvR active albion guilds: Honey Badgers, The Band, Black Adders, Bleach Cabal, Realm Joint, Paper Daoc, SAVED BY THE BELL, Thugs, and many many more

They play nearly everyday, in guildgrps, guildpugs or pugs.

90% of alb pug's are terrible, so many won't bother forming unless they are from alliance/friends.

And +1 regarding the keeps, should give some RP reward to make people care

DF isnt an incentive? Do Mids and Hibs actually have incentives while Albs dont? Why would they care about taking Keeps? What is the typical day as a lvl 50 in Alb like? Just head to Pygmies and PL for plat? What good is plat if you dont need a temp cause you dont RvR? What good is PLing people if they arent going to contribute to the Realm?

X_Rayted wrote:DF isnt an incentive? Do Mids and Hibs actually have incentives while Albs dont? Why would they care about taking Keeps? What is the typical day as a lvl 50 in Alb like? Just head to Pygmies and PL for plat? What good is plat if you dont need a temp cause you dont RvR? What good is PLing people if they arent going to contribute to the Realm?

Either you didnt read my post and/or you cant handle the numbers of the incguild.com statistics side.

Typical lvl50?

Looking for Smallman - have fun in Sauvage/Pennine/Hadrians

Looking for RvR fullgrp / build one - Smash other groups in Odins/Jamtland/Uppland/Emain/Breifine/Cruachan

How should RvR (on 1.65 / Old Frontiers) be different than that?


I repeat myself:

"Albs are not that much interested in taking keeps that provide nothing (no RPs, no XP, we dont even have relics where we would need keeps for relicguards, ...)"

X_Rayted wrote:DF isnt an incentive? Do Mids and Hibs actually have incentives while Albs dont? Why would they care about taking Keeps? What is the typical day as a lvl 50 in Alb like? Just head to Pygmies and PL for plat? What good is plat if you dont need a temp cause you dont RvR? What good is PLing people if they arent going to contribute to the Realm?

Farming plats to reroll mid/hib . XD

I took one keep about the 3rd week Uthgard came out. Here's how it went.

We show up to an undefended keep. All melee the doors for about 30 minutes plus. No one shows up to defend (because of the terrible notification system). Gained no rps when taking keep. Didn't even gain a +1 keep take to title.

Now i'm lvl 50 so why do i even want DF?

Taking keeps is a complete waste of time because you get next to nothing as a reward. That's why no one in Alb takes keeps.

We do in fact RvR, quite actively so.

To be fair, Albs didn't take keeps even when we had relics- incentive doesn't matter much to Albs unless it directly benefits them on the short term. Realm pride isn't a good enough incentive for most of them. I remember several times (when we had relics) where Mids/Hibs had 3+ of our keeps for longer than 12 hours and nobody wanted to get our keeps back, I broadcast in Sauvage several times and didn't get any volunteers. As far as I'm concerned, we didn't deserve to keep our relics.

Of course there are exceptions, but as a whole, Albion players just don't care about keeps.

Madix wrote:incentive doesn't matter much to Albs unless it directly benefits them on the short term. Realm pride isn't a good enough incentive for most of them.

You can replace Alb with any realm here. The truth is all players respond to incentives, and realm pride isn't a sufficient reason for most players most of the time.

While GMs have found it questionable to add realmpoints to incentivize keep takes, history shows it worked. And the small pool that abused was perhaps small enough that the net change was still very positive. In fact, without it, there's not enough mechanics to create RvR from a void. Instead, it relies in there being population to have population. Not a good design.

Furthermore, getting rams is enough trouble that most players forego them altogether, which should be a concern to the livelihood of RvR.

So then why do Mids and Hibs care about Keeps and DF? What makes them go out and take them? I seriously doubt every single player who doesnt care about taking keeps got together and decided to roll Alb.

you have to understand that albs are a once per 30 realm.

Its a video game. People want to have fun playing a video game. Taking Keeps is like watching paint dry and there is no incentive to do so.

Taking keeps is boring but like I said, even when Albs had an incentive to take their own keeps back (because of relics) they still failed to do so most of the time.

I don't know about everyone rolling Alb because they hate taking keeps but there is definitely something going on. Maybe it's because it's a very caster heavy realm? I don't know. All I know is that Alb definitely has the worst mentality when it comes to taking keeps on Uthgard. I'd like to see exactly what % of time we've had DF since the server started or how often we let Mids control half of our keeps without retaliating when we had relics.

I doubt on any other realm could sell diamond seals consistently for 30+ gold each. I also doubt any other realm would leave their relics open for attack by leaving half of their keeps in enemy hands for almost 2 days.

Honestly, RvR is not looking good for Alb atm. There are plenty in EU time, but NA time is looking pretty sad. Buds is MIA-ish, The Band is leveling alts and doesn't have a full gg, Decapitated runs a smallman all the time, and sometimes there is a sleepy pug leftover from EU hours. Albs exist, but not as active as they could be. Anyone want to roll alb and fix this? We could use folks to run with in late EU/NA.