Hello Mids . Everytime we try get DF so we can farm some seals/ gold for templates You mids take it back after like 10mins everytime. It will only take us longer time Alb/hib to get ready for RvR when u have DF 99% of the time. Was wonderring if you mids could try not to retake keeps asap. let albs and hibs have DF alittle so we can get faster to RVR.

I know lot of ppl will answer this post with "are you mad bro", "NACL" or "whine" or other childish nonsence but it really will slow down the rvr. No good grp will go out without a good temp and at this patch level there a lots of df items needed to build a temp. Maybe mids level another twink you can already have a savage beside your zerker for some mid variety But the other realms need the items and you need the rps.

Even if posting is useless with such things, i'll give some opinions here.

When you try form a df retake, you have troubles to get enough guys. You go frontiers with like 30 people (surely less than 10 are 50 and less than 5 templated), start hit a door and hop, 3 fgm all 50 and templated come all together to rape you. You type after /who 50 in frontiers, like nobody (8 in whole hib frontiers)...
Then you see more keep take messages from midgard.

Just talking about my guild, we need df jewels and we won't go out in RvR without it so mid can enjoy empty emain for a long time acting like that cause i'm pretty sure we're not the only ones.

Everyone with a brain should know that the selfish gameplay from some midgard players just slows everything down. The bug users makes it even worse and the devs just ignore it. Destroying the relict doors of the empty keeps to keep us from crafting is another stupid move from midgard. Yes, i understand that you are bored but its your own fault and every move you do makes it even worse. We won't move into the rvr until we are ready and since you slow everything down you have to wait a very long time. Have fun.

Mids are being stupid and shooting themselves in the foot.

I had a level 36 Cleric 5-6 days after server relaunch. After some guild drama, I deleted and went back to Hib where I wanted to play in the first place. After seeing how the Mids treat the server I have ZERO incentive to hurry to 50 and fight them in the frontier, so while it took me less than a week to reach 36 on Alb I log in MUCH less frequently on Hib and it's taken me 2-3 weeks to reach level 36 there. The longer it takes your enemies to face you in the frontiers, the less RPs you make.


Mids keep acting like 5 year olds hogging the building blocks during recess and then wonder why no one wants to play with them. You treatment of the other realms is self defeating behavior... just FYI.

it's lame but can't blame em. df is great loot and fins is the best xp we've found, but like you said df is open for maybe an hour, fins will get checked very quickly if there's anyone roaming cuz there's nothing else for them to fight yet. it just sucks that our best/only options for getting 50 and templating are now on farm status for the mid grps cuz they were 2 weeks ahead of everyone.

I convinced myself that it wouldn't be that big of a deal cuz when we actually start rvring they'd only be a realm rank or two ahead but the gap gets bigger every day still. mids closing in on rr5 and most of the alb groups are just getting 50.

thankfully we're about to be ready and it's still not gonna matter much once everyone is rr6. they'll only be like 5-10 RSP's ahead but this week it's gonna be 20-30 for most ppl. definitely an uphill start lol.

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every realm has its upsides and downsides, i dont think its right to go "Mid is shooting themselves in the foot", especially when you;re talking about a game thats only been out a month and the majority of players are sitting in 30-49 lvl range. Eventually Mid will get tired of constantly taking keeps, and they will allow DF to be open longer.

I think Mid had a little bit more of hardcore players that have pushed the gap a little bit currently, however dont forget, this also promotes lazy rvr (if there is no one to fight). And more enjoyable rewards for Albs/ Hibs who work harder to beat an early dominate Mid.

Hib have their own Fins spot and pbae chanters (that are a lot more widely used than SM's)
Alb have a great aoe dotter (cab) and have great sets of mobs in Lyon (albeit camped a lot of the time).
Mid is mostly melee groups, which dont allow for the multiple mobs at once exp gainz

In addition, you've said that DF gets opened, and although its only open for 10 mins, this should be enough time to get into it, get deep and farm some seals. Then you rinse and repeat over and over till you have a solid 8man templated. Keep in mind it only takes one good 8man to take down another, so it honestly cant be that hard to farm enough seals for an 8man where only 3-4 items are needed per char.

That attitude won't land you into Valhalla.

mickle87: how long does it take you to farm about 60sapphire seals/character if a huge zerg awaits you during these 10minutes of an open DF?

Koleriker wrote:mickle87: how long does it take you to farm about 60sapphire seals/character if a huge zerg awaits you during these 10minutes of an open DF?

I never said it would be easy....but honestly....this is the funnest times for me (and a lot of others), when DF is taken and lost over and over again, sometimes JUST to use the merchants hehe....and yes i know, its not happening as often as it should right now, but back when 1.65 was actually LIVE, it did take a good month to get to 50 for a non-hardcore player, so add a month or 2 to that and we'll get an accurate figure (keep in mind for a lot of players this is the first time they've played daoc in 6+ years as well).

Some drop 30 sapp seals in one easy kill (to a decent 8man levels 45-50). Hulks drop 2 dia each....If you work together with masses, its possible. I've also seen Hib/ Alb get DF over night (one occasion each so far i think? all not during prime time though), also my prediction is that zerg size will win fights in months 2-4, not templates, in most occasions, i mean you have potentially 2k (lets say players that will be 50 in 3-4 weeks time), so you're not going to be as reliant on the 'perfect' gear as you would be in 8v8.

I'm not saying its super dooper easy....im just saying, if you're committed and love the game as much as a lot of us do, you wont see this as a hindrance, but moreso an opportunity to really push yourself to enjoy end game

And look, i have the same problem....im far from the perfect example of someone who knows DF/ DAOC inside and out , and the overall attitude should be (keeping in mind we're literally 1 month from release) that everyone will eventually catch up, and be on level playing field.

Mickle you need to take off the rose colored glasses along with the REST of the Mid realm.


You dominate keeps/RvR/DF literally 95% of the time and players will get frustrated and quit playing. No one wants to XP for 100's of hours to reach 50 only to face another uphill battle trying to take DF for long enough to get templated. Most will quit before that happens.

If Mids keep dominating RvR/Keeps/DF 95% you will see the majority of your potential future enemies quit due to frustration. But hey - keep telling the other realms how fun it is to face superior numbers, superior classes (for this patch level) and almost never having DF so they can finish their templates!

Maybe some of them will buy into the crap you are trying to sell them.

Icharus wrote:Mickle you need to take off the rose colored glasses along with the REST of the Mid realm.


You dominate keeps/RvR/DF literally 95% of the time and players will get frustrated and quit playing. No one wants to XP for 100's of hours to reach 50 only to face another uphill battle trying to take DF for long enough to get templated. Most will quit before that happens.

If Mids keep dominating RvR/Keeps/DF 95% you will see the majority of your potential future enemies quit due to frustration. But hey - keep telling the other realms how fun it is to face superior numbers, superior classes (for this patch level) and almost never having DF so they can finish their templates!

Maybe some of them will buy into the crap you are trying to sell them.

who said i play mid? i like being the underdog! Also, you dont NEED df items, theres plenty of substitutes out there for each realm.

Also, i would argue that if other servers can stay alive and fun with a population of 400-500, then the people who quit because of that frustration, will also likely not be part of the long standing economy that will see us 12-24 months into the future, they will likely be playing something else and probably (hopefully) only return once in a while.

People keep saying Mid is so over powered "at this patch level", but it is Albs who imo have the advantage at this patch level (gimmie sos!), and this server, yes makes it hard to gear up and level, but not impossible. If it helps, just think about it like, Mids have ruled the land for years, and it is your realm who must rise up and be defiant to win! haha

it really makes me LOL when i read something like Mid is overpowered blabla..... you lazy ppl just have to go out and take stupid keeps!

also if you get rolled by 3 fg mids, i bet not even half of them are temped right now.... there are maybe 30-40 mids in total who actually have temps atm.

its always the fault of the others ;D

Cadam wrote:also if you get rolled by 3 fg mids, i bet not even half of them are temped right now.... there are maybe 30-40 mids in total who actually have temps atm.

Must've been very lucky to meet all these temped 40mids so far.

Theoneneo wrote:Hello Mids . Was wonderring if you mids could try not to retake keeps asap.

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