Gratz on starting it Bloodwyne, it was quite surpiseing to see that many albs come out of nowhere to bring some new action to the OF The other thread was closed so starting this one for ya.

Have fun out there everyone

Nice event Gratz all and gn8

Nice Event. But the first Zerg was just too huge to get a real army against you. Later was really funny - Midgard lost both relics - we just wanted to counterzerg albs, but didnt know where albs did go, so we stayed at relic. After we were on 2nd door, someone called, albs are on str relic in midgard. But at this time, it was too late and we stayed at magerelic in Midgard.

The best fight tonight, we had on Counter-Relicraid in Albion. A long long epic fight, which albs won - but it was really curt.

sad to see loosing the 2 relics again for a long time cause of less active lvl 50 player.
i hope the 1hib and the 2alb grps in emain every evening will have much fun vs the midgrps with this dmgboost.

and much fun for the rest of alb/hibs who never saw emain but help to claim relics for faster taja-run.

Methusalem wrote:sad to see loosing the 2 relics again for a long time cause of less active lvl 50 player.
i hope the 1hib and the 2alb grps in emain every evening will have much fun vs the midgrps with this dmgboost.

and much fun for the rest of alb/hibs who never saw emain but help to claim relics for faster taja-run.

oh no midgard without relics!!!!!!!!!

easy mode just changed to an average realm loooooooooooooooooool

Btw Emain is not for 8vs8 .. Drachengard and also Albion Tempelritter showed all rdy that a Zerg can work

The Problem is People like last night will never get a normal group.
But on Relic Raids/Defense they're most wanted also Levels around 45+ can join ...

Griselda should form a daily Zerg at Primetime

Melodexx wrote:

Methusalem wrote:sad to see loosing the 2 relics again for a long time cause of less active lvl 50 player.
i hope the 1hib and the 2alb grps in emain every evening will have much fun vs the midgrps with this dmgboost.

and much fun for the rest of alb/hibs who never saw emain but help to claim relics for faster taja-run.

oh no midgard without relics!!!!!!!!!

easy mode just changed to an average realm loooooooooooooooooool

Btw Emain is not for 8vs8 .. Drachengard and also Albion Tempelritter showed all rdy that a Zerg can work

The Problem is People like last night will never get a normal group.
But on Relic Raids/Defense they're most wanted also Levels around 45+ can join ...

Griselda should form a daily Zerg at Primetime

LOL someone acusing others of easy mode play when his stated characters are BM and minst. yes you really work so much harder at daoc then mids. what hypocrisy

Berserker is easier mode than Blademaster. Same with Mercenary.

Melodexx wrote:
Griselda should form a daily Zerg at Primetime

Honestly, why not? Apparently, many players want this, as evidenced by the huge amount of people that showed up in both Alb and Hib (didn't see many mids tho, just their corpses in front of their Str relic ) . It's much more casual friendly and less about optimized templates and group setups and can be quite fun too. That doesn't mean 100vs100vs100 fights will happen in Emain and the 8vs8 crowd wouldn't know where else to go ^^

Just to make things clear, i will never do such events/zergs on a regular basis. My opinion is that Uthgards player population is simple not high enough to survive a everyday Zerg. My experience is that regular Zergs (that also happened here on Uthgard by some players/guilds of ALL realms) bring more annoyance/frustration to people, than it makes people happy. We can not effort loosing either 8v8 / soloers / smallgroup preferrenced players when we start to bring up daily/regular Zergs.

Maybe the time will come when we have a population thats high enough to support all kinds of RvR in different zones parallel. But therefor we would need some changes and a more attractive RvR Zone for EVERYONE. (Still the way to it is Insta port and Ports to Dun Bolg for Hibs, to Hildskialf for Mids and to Sursbroke for Albs ... which alot of people already agreed to btw. http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=19760 ... but well thats another Story)

So again, i really enjoy to do such Events/Raids for Albion, i cant denie im a bit nostalgic sometimes too, but i simply play to much, so for me this game became to some kind of sport, where challenge and fairness is on top. And this is what you mostly get in 8vs8, which is still my favorite part of daoc, and probably will be forever. And i think that goes for a quite big community. So my opinion is to keep those things something special and unexpected, Uthgard is not yet ready to support a daily Zerg.

Thanks to all that took part at the fun yesterday, after the wipe at Lamfhota i was close to give up, luckily we kept on and had great fun! Mids were pretty unlucky to get attacked on both Keeps though. I swear that Albion noticed that not before the first Relic location message popped up, that hibs were on Mid too

Bloodwyne wrote:My experience is that regular Zergs (that also happened here on Uthgard by some players/guilds of ALL realms) bring more annoyance/frustration to people, than it makes people happy. We can not effort loosing either 8v8 / soloers / smallgroup preferrenced players when we start to bring up daily/regular Zergs.

Not following your argument there. 8vs8 players are a minority on this server - a minority that makes it very frustrating for anybody not able or willing to put in a lot of time into RvR'ing to do anything besides raiding empty keeps for RPs or reroll toons to enjoy RvR in BGs. The community really does not need 8vs8 players - what it needs are these kinds of 'realm' events that allow anyone to participate. Now, your next paragraph of course shows where you are coming from (E-sport), and I am not saying I don't understand it - I do appreciate and enjoy 8vs8 myself. But saying that zerging would be 'bad' for the server is quite short-sighted and far from the truth imho. It would be bad for *your* preferred playstyle - well perhaps, because I don't see why, actually. The FZ is super huge and zergs move slowly. What this server needs is to make as many players welcome in RvR as possible.

Lasastard wrote: The community really does not need 8vs8 players

False, the community needs all kind of player groups, and actually the word groups is one i dont like here, mostly theres just people that have preferrences for a specific playstyle (Solo/Smallgroup/8v8/Zerg) but generally every player takes part in everything from time to time so without "8v8 Players" you would also loose people for Zergs ...u generally would loose server population which is the devil for this game. And i think you get me wrong here. I would actually love to see a daily zerg on Uthgard (which i would rarely take part on because, yes i mostly like to play this game in a different way and thats everybodys free choice) But this game and specially OF Zones are constructed to support different types of RvR parellel, but it only works with a bigger population. The goal should be to get more people to stay on Uthgard, its just not attractive enough yet and its not the fault of 8v8 players or any other "group". Its the Basics given by the Staff that are not good enough yet to keep this game attractive for more players for a longer time. People should finally face that and not always blame 8v8 players.

Population is the Key: More population -> more zergs in emain -> more 8 mans in odins/hadrians -> more smallman/soloers in odins/hadrians ... it sounds so simple...and it is

I think we have enough population - you need to start somewhere. But you need someone to catalyze this - an oldschool zerg leader. I am sure more people would roll here or stick around if they actually got the chance to do some nice stress-free zerging. As it stands, it's either 8vs8, a stealther or reroll BG twinks. There is so much untapped potential in the community - with over 800 players online during PT, there is no reason why there shouldn't be enough population in RVR for all kinds of playstyles. Aside from the verbal bullying of 8vs8 players and the lack of 'realm leadership', so to speak.

There are of course other issues that have to do with the way the server is run, the decision to stick with OF without any of the 'perks' that make RvR more accessible (like porting to keeps). But the underlying problem is that this server is heavily dominated (not in numbers, but in 'presence) but 8vs8-type players that shout anybody down not confirming to their playstyle. Don't deny it, happens all the time.

So to come back to my original point, organizing regular zergs would be good for the server. It opens up the endgame to a broader range of people and those really committed to 8vs8 are still free to pursue that. But saying the server needs these types of players, well, can't get on board with that argument. Not pointing fingers, but if certain guilds raid the dragon on the same day of the week that Hibernia has it's traditional realm-wide dragon raid and leave dozens of people disappointed, ...
I am of course over-generalizing, but you get the point, I guess.

Na sorry i dont get your point and im really tired of that anti-8vs8 attitude. Theres people enjoying 8vs8 to the max who never insulted or ruded anyone who has a different type of gameplay. I know there are people that get quite rude when theres "adders" or "zergers" ... but why a 8v8 player shouldnt be offended by people who have a playstyle that just leeches the afford of 8v8 players and destroy the fun for the other group? Its the balanced challenge most 8v8 players are looking for, and Adders/Zergs simply make it impossible to have a fair/balanced/challenging fight. But its not the 8v8 players here to blame, really people should be more smart... its a normal reaction. THE PROBLEM IS: Uthgard is leaving many people who want to do RvR in a more simple way no choice to get it otherway than benefiting of the afford/fights of 8mans. Its the conditions that lead to this behaviour and attitude... the players act just adjusted.

Bloodwyne wrote:But this game and specially OF Zones are constructed to support different types of RvR parellel, but it only works with a bigger population.

I disagree with you here.

OF zones are flawed in this, whereas agramon was really compatible with:

a) our current population (and future, the near on at least)

b) all preferred play styles (campers, zergs, fgs could be avoided and xp/mobs were aplenty)

When we changed to OF, Agramon was already a hell to have fair battles at. people think only because there is 6 milegates you are able to avoid zergs... fact is this zone was simply to small and it was impossible to avoid them, and if you mean soloaction whereas camping milegates is the only possibily...well then you are right...its not different here atm...but it could be better here IF we would have the population to make use of ALL Zones ... the attraction of Agramon was the "Instant Action" and nothing else. Mob spots could be added here as well so this point isnt valid, even though im not a fan of pulling people to rvr zones with mob spots to feed the others