Romps wrote:So amnesia is supposed to drop speed on mids/albs and not the bard casting it?

And if a healer casts amnesia it drops the healers speed not the targets hit with amnesia?

Its the same spell why does it have the opposite effect for me losing speed they keep it, vs they drop my grps speed yet they still run speed 6... shouldnt it at least put the bard in combat?

This is as intended? So be it, just seems... unbalanced

I haven't tested healer amnesia so I can't comment on that.

I did test bard amnesia vs speed on mid when the 3 speed pulses I talked about before.

I just re-watched Torm's bard video. Every inc he uses amnesia and it doesn't break his speed until something else breaks it (skald DD or he casts mez or w/e).

It does break the other groups speed though before his is broken.



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Literally within the first few seconds of that video his own speed breaks after having used amnesia, without getting attacked.

when the bard uses lullaby its just like anything else, you are put into combat and lose speed next tick. same with nearsight, disease etc

i mean im not surprised midtards of all people dont know basic game mechanics but this has been discussed forever...

You guys have a hard time reading.

For the 100th time it's speed pulse that is bugged here, which manifests itself in amnesia seeming broken.

I play Hib, this isn't some conspiracy to nerf bards. I do however, think it's in the best interest of the server to fix major RvR bugs no matter which realm it effects the most.



That should show you the difference between live and Uthgard. I put a clock in there, time it yourself.

On live with 0 duration, the target of amnesia keeps speed for 5-8 seconds and sometimes will even regain their next speed pulse to only drop speed for less than a second before speed kicks in again.

The bard almost always loses speed before the amnesia target.

On Uth it is not like that.

The bard almost always keeps speed longer than the amnesia target.

The amnesia target loses speed anywhere from 0-3 seconds after being hit by amnesia. That's a full pulse (5 seconds difference) than live.

Sadly you're gonna have to test it on skald song, since they are not the same type of duration, and bard has bonus due to instruments on duration.

ZaiQQ wrote:Sadly you're gonna have to test it on skald song, since they are not the same type of duration, and bard has bonus due to instruments on duration.

Yeah you're right. Just simply looking at the duration, clear horizon/motivational anthem is 10s duration with 0 bonus duration while stuff like maximum effervescence (which I could test with bard + enchanter) is 5s and heavenly song of travel is 5s too.

Romps wrote:And if a healer casts amnesia it drops the healers speed not the targets hit with amnesia?

Its the same spell why does it have the opposite effect for me losing speed they keep it, vs they drop my grps speed yet they still run speed 6... shouldnt it at least put the bard in combat?

This is as intended? So be it, just seems... unbalanced

I tested healer amnesia. You just keep whatever duration is left on your current speed pulse. You don't lose it instantly but ya it's only going to last 5s or less whereas anyone you hit that has bard/mins speed will keep it 5-10 seconds.

I also tested the acquisition of speed buff after losing speed (the part that I think is bugged).

On live you do sometimes get the lesser speed buff but the highest tier buff comes online within the next pulse window.

Anecdotally it seemed like it took longer than that to get skald speed _sometimes_ (more than 5 seconds after green pac speed kicks in) , but I'm not on mid so I can't test that here.

Up to someone on mid to do some tests with a skald/aug/pac in the group if you want to keep pursuing it.