RonELuvv wrote:Lets just say that I had a buddy who made a reaver on Albion and was told by Skarz that yes, he was able to get his swing speed down to 1.1-1.2 sec a swing by using aug quickness 3 or 4. He was then told to keep quiet about it since god forbid it be fixxed.

I will be glad to do a test on this, but I will do it on my time since nobody else wants to test it. BTW, I was the one who did the rapid fire test and the reason was because of levi's under 1.5 seconds.

You dont break 1.5 swing with qui4 3.0 speed 17% haste.... even if you got 18 starting points into qui aswell.

I'm just telling you what I was told Zai. I was also told that it was "impossible" to shoot a bow under 1.5 till I proved that it was easily done. It wasnt until the test was long over and I was told by GM's that its not possible that sombody pointed out that rapid fire is indeed supposed to allow you to go under 1.5 speed.

As I said, I will be sure to test this on my ranger when I'm sufficiently bored. Until then the only way I believe the 1.5 hard cap is working is when I see a test performed.

RonELuvv wrote:I'm just telling you what I was told Zai. I was also told that it was "impossible" to shoot a bow under 1.5 till I proved that it was easily done. It wasnt until the test was long over and I was told by GM's that its not possible that sombody pointed out that rapid fire is indeed supposed to allow you to go under 1.5 speed.

As I said, I will be sure to test this on my ranger when I'm sufficiently bored. Until then the only way I believe the 1.5 hard cap is working is when I see a test performed.

Bow isnt melee mechanics, so not gonna say anything about it. But to anyone who ever played mid, especially a savage, sitting with 80% haste..... you'd know if you would swing faster then 1.5

I know bow and mele mechanics are different, my point was that when I made the thread Blue showed the code and basically said that what I posted was not possible. Nevermind the fact that I had video'd it and proved that it was possible. After debate another player pointed out where it was intentional by Mythic to let a bow user get below 1.5 spd cap.

I made the bow thread because myself and a few others noticed that it seemed like Chikane/Skarz was getting off attacks way faster then 1.5 sec. One of those players made a reaver. Him and Chikane were talking, he told that player that allthough he had since switched his spec away from this, but before that he was at aug quickness 4 and was swinging at around 1.1-1.2 seconds and not to say anything about it because he didnt want it to get fixxed. I realise that conversation isnt proof, and when I decide to waste 2 respec stones and buy a new super fast piercer I will test it on my ranger. At that point I will know for sure one way or another if the hard cap on mele is implemented properly or not. Till then I honestly dont know for sure.

Edit: I would also like to say that I'm not trying to attack Chikane/Skarz as a player or person. I have spoken and played against him for many years and have always enjoyed him as a player and person. I posted this only because of what I was infomred of which may or may not be true. I would like to point out the same thing happened with many bow bugs (crit's on crit shot for example, which I had to have another ranger show me how they do it and then I had to show where it was broke) and other major bugs that people abuse on this server every day knowing they are broke.

Ron knows this is the primary reason I'm making my reaver right now.

ZaiQQ wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:Lets just say that I had a buddy who made a reaver on Albion and was told by Skarz that yes, he was able to get his swing speed down to 1.1-1.2 sec a swing by using aug quickness 3 or 4. He was then told to keep quiet about it since god forbid it be fixxed.

I will be glad to do a test on this, but I will do it on my time since nobody else wants to test it. BTW, I was the one who did the rapid fire test and the reason was because of levi's under 1.5 seconds.

You dont break 1.5 swing with qui4 3.0 speed 17% haste.... even if you got 18 starting points into qui aswell.

you can break that deadline easily (in theory, by various swing speed calculators)

majky666 wrote:

ZaiQQ wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:Lets just say that I had a buddy who made a reaver on Albion and was told by Skarz that yes, he was able to get his swing speed down to 1.1-1.2 sec a swing by using aug quickness 3 or 4. He was then told to keep quiet about it since god forbid it be fixxed.

I will be glad to do a test on this, but I will do it on my time since nobody else wants to test it. BTW, I was the one who did the rapid fire test and the reason was because of levi's under 1.5 seconds.

You dont break 1.5 swing with qui4 3.0 speed 17% haste.... even if you got 18 starting points into qui aswell.

you can break that deadline easily (in theory, by various swing speed calculators)

so qui counts more then haste? only explanation is that qui doesn't get diminishing return, but a boost once you go over 250. And that only qui can break the 1.5 swingspeed, not haste.

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[10:47:47] You attack Level 5 Doll with your bronze hand axe and hit for 10 damage!
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217 qui 39% haste


with Overall Speed = Weap Spd x (1-QuiMod)x(1-Spell Haste)x(1-Item Haste)

you cap swing speed with 217 qui with a 2.4 at 9% haste.

While we're on a similar topic.

Is it possible to cap as an Inconnu Reaver if I were to ever roll one? Without needing to invest an immense amount of points into AugQuick.

_Oglop_ wrote:While we're on a similar topic.

Is it possible to cap as an Inconnu Reaver if I were to ever roll one? Without needing to invest an immense amount of points into AugQuick.

augquick4 instead of augquick3 (breton/saracene)

Magicco wrote:

_Oglop_ wrote:While we're on a similar topic.

Is it possible to cap as an Inconnu Reaver if I were to ever roll one? Without needing to invest an immense amount of points into AugQuick.

augquick4 instead of augquick3 (breton/saracene)

244 qui 1.53576 swing speed with 17% haste.

since u guys want to discuss me ill give u some facts.

starting stats +10 quick + aug quick 3 = 250 quickness when im fullybuffed. gives my just over 1.5 second swing speed. i do not run with aug quick 4-5 although i know about the lack of hardcap.

that being said i have done a victimless test, quickness5 brings ur swing speed to about 1.4 which enables 1 extra levi in slam if u react fast enough. the lack of quickness hardcap realy does not benefit me enough to consider abusing it

95% of ALL my solo i have been GROUP spec < since rr4l2+ > det5 lw2 mob3 quick 3 always, and since i got some rr i have also purge to help me solo. no ip, no mastery of parry greatly effects my 1v1's. ( ive actualy been taking mastery of parry as a filler since i solo quite alot and i almost never block vs any duel wielder )

Well a few things to add there Skarz and some questions. I know you have been group spec for awhile, but with the way you play that class you dont really need solo RA's. I know i've seen you use ip before and that isnt exactly a group RA, but that has been a VERY long time ago when I was on my ranger. It was probably 3-4 months ago when Sleepwel, Intimid, and I were noticing the extremely fast levi's from you and a couple other reavers as well. Intimid said that when he was on Albion talking to you, you told him that with very high aug quickness you were able to get down to about 1.2 spd levi's. Maybe he exagerated, but that was what I was told and I knew you and him chatted alot for awhile there. So that is where I got my information.

All of that being said, if you are able to get ur swing to 1.4 then that is certainly a bug that needs to be reported, even if I do agree with you that I doubt seeing people running with aug quickness 5 is suddenly going to start happening. The fact is that there is supposed to be a 1.5 spd hard cap on mele swings no matter what your quickness or haste is. If anyone is able to break that 1.5 speed hard cap than there is something not working correctly.

Also, like I said, this was not an attack on you personally. I only used you as an example because of the information I was told.

Skarz wrote:that being said i have done a victimless test, quickness5 brings ur swing speed to about 1.4 which enables 1 extra levi in slam if u react fast enough. the lack of quickness hardcap realy does not benefit me enough to consider abusing it

So the question is: the 1.5s swing speed cap exist? Or we are on Uthgard where everything have a +/- random value?

Thanks

i do not do any accurate tests. and yes i think intimid exagerated a lil bit

if i was 1.2 spd i think there be abit more qq on forums. i can occassionaly land x6 levi in slam due to luck or double hit whatever... but standard is x5 levi. there was rumors of a lack of hardcap on quickness and was 1 day i had a 50 buffcleric in grp putting my quick above 270 and i was landing x6 levi all day. made me think that rumors were true and so i tried quick 5 and felt no increase so specced bk out of it. i still dnt know for sure tbh

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