Harkon wrote:

Nef Melody wrote:Because there are simply not enough people to pug with on hib if you don't have the irc contacts and stuff, also warden is almost a must have support in a random hib grp and there are almost none.

You overrate warden in a pug, just because i can keep our grp alive doesnt mean that works in a pug - it doesnt, thats why i dont pug - you need a lot of backup as warden especially in lower RR, or your way too easy to counter and that backup doesnt exist in a pug.
Better pick another chargetank or dd - your chances to kill something fast will rise more

Nef Melody wrote:

Harkon wrote:

Nef Melody wrote:Because there are simply not enough people to pug with on hib if you don't have the irc contacts and stuff, also warden is almost a must have support in a random hib grp and there are almost none.

You overrate warden in a pug, just because i can keep our grp alive doesnt mean that works in a pug - it doesnt, thats why i dont pug - you need a lot of backup as warden especially in lower RR, or your way too easy to counter and that backup doesnt exist in a pug.
Better pick another chargetank or dd - your chances to kill something fast will rise more

RR on a warden is just a gimmick, nice to have but not neccesary. Offtanks are very warden dependant, the extra resists, the bubble and possibly twf/aog translates to more dps from 2 blademasters than 3 would deal without a warden.

Harkon wrote:

Caemma wrote:I want more hibs in rvr, but sadly i dont have any toon above lvl 16-17 to help that cause ^^

- Maybe a rp bonus for lvl 50 not stealther could improve that situation and bring more player in rvr hibside??

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Anyway, @Harkon, hib fulltank is more stronger that mid fulltank pug. No way ! (with same skill at least!)

Bm have thrust dmg and can just kill a healer within some seconds while bard rupt other one, just think about also flurry, slam (!), and rr5. And if zerks assist on druid just hit rr5 and hope that bms had killed healers in that time ^^

I've made many incs full tank vs full tank pugs where healer just get exploded in before charge go down.. embarassing!

Ofc when u start to have a good shaman (as mid) that know how to handle 3 bms (disease, shear, root, kite) you cant think about survive initial burst dmg and start to actual play more than 15 sec ^^

i said same skill/rr

You/ your group is obviously doing a lot wrong when vendo mode Zerkers get outburstet by BMs

holsten-knight wrote:a good played bm deals a lot more dmg than a moderate played zerker. Zerker deal not more dmg than a warrior without the backchain (requiem player propose not even to use because of the bleed ). And without slam it is not so easy to perma land the backchain.

Harkon wrote:

Nef Melody wrote:

Harkon wrote:

Nef Melody"]Because there are simply not enough people to pug with on hib if you don't have the irc contacts and stuff, also warden is almost a must have support in a random hib grp and there are almost none.

You overrate warden in a pug, just because i can keep our grp alive doesnt mean that works in a pug - it doesnt, thats why i dont pug - you need a lot of backup as warden especially in lower RR, or your way too easy to counter and that backup doesnt exist in a pug.
Better pick another chargetank or dd - your chances to kill something fast will rise more

RR on a warden is just a gimmick, nice to have but not neccesary. Offtanks are very warden dependant, the extra resists, the bubble and possibly twf/aog translates to more dps from 2 blademasters than 3 would deal without a warden.

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