Should a 4L4 warrior lose to an 8L4 night shade out of stealth? Or am I doing it wrong?

No offense, but that question is lacking ALOT of details that would make a huge difference. What RA's did the Warrior have, was the warrior templated, did the NS have viper 3, did the warrior and/or NS have any nice high end charges or buff potions up, and the list can go on and on.

The short answer is yes, a 8L4 NS can indeed beat a 4L4 warrior out of stealth.

RonELuvv wrote:No offense, but that question is lacking ALOT of details that would make a huge difference. What RA's did the Warrior have, was the warrior templated, did the NS have viper 3, did the warrior and/or NS have any nice high end charges or buff potions up, and the list can go on and on.

The short answer is yes, a 8L4 NS can indeed beat a 4L4 warrior out of stealth.

Warrior MOB3, det4, long wind.. no purge (major factor here I surmise) or mop. Templated yes.

Buff potions? Dunno. Just couldn't land a hit vs the other way around was getting hit almost every time but some parries came in.

It was very very one sided even after a second attempt rushing in hoping purge was down. This time he had stealth so outcome I think was even more obvious.

I'll just keep training Rocky style to win, but I expected it to either be closer or a win based on class vs class and no stealth.

If you have ANY intention of solo playing on your warrior you MUST have Purge and IP. Without those 2 almost any Viper 3 assasin with vanish and purge will be able to kill you. Even if they are out of stealth. It sounds to me like you are a group spec warrior that was trying to fight a high RR solo toon.

Alright good to know, I wanna stay group spec'd =). I'll just keep ranking up till maybe that can fit in... it will be awhile!

Yah, its tough on classes like Warrior/BM/Merc and other tanks. You can either spec solo and be a beast in solo fights or you can spec w/ high Determination and be group spec. Only high RR players can afford to go with both, but keep with it and I'm sure you will be up there over time. Good luck to ya

it's np for ns to own low rr warrior, you loose cause he is higher rr and got propably purge up and viper+
with low rr war don't have decent solo ra's

Stealthers by nature will have more "preparation" than your typical class. They will use multiple sets of weapons in a fight, every potion known to man, and a template to make you drool. I find no shame losing to a assassin class, or even archer class because the amount of time and preparation they put into this game is a lot and put the avg DAoC player to shame. Look at some of the videos in the video section.

Learn thy enemy...

Qibonesi wrote:Stealthers by nature will have more "preparation" than your typical class. They will use multiple sets of weapons in a fight, every potion known to man, and a template to make you drool. I find no shame losing to a assassin class, or even archer class because the amount of time and preparation they put into this game is a lot and put the avg DAoC player to shame. Look at some of the videos in the video section.

Learn thy enemy...

Well said and well put. This might be one of the best posts I have seen regarding these threads.

RonELuvv wrote:Well said and well put. This might be one of the best posts I have seen regarding these threads.

indeed it was a nice post, but my arms is cap-SCed as well with all MP-plate and stuff, so the level of dedication to the class is sort of the same...also i have levelled 95% of the time solo, so there's no bonus here either...

its rather the other way round...visibles have a much harder time soloing, thats why i have much respect for those that try again and again, especially if being not-so-high-rr...

even with max SC adn stuff it's really hard to win vs SBs with viper3 or high-rr-sb/ns/ranger anyway...NS are a little easier, due to pierce-resistance of plate-armor (which is prolly why warriors have a hard time vs ns)...even with ip2 and purge2 (4L9 doesnt allow for much more) and no buffs its pretty hard though vs anything above rr6...i guess the probem is viper3, but that's been mentioned a loooot of times

If you dont run fully buffed, dont expect any win with any class in 1v1. Either you do it and invest the time needed or better stay ATK.

I agree with Pweet. As a solo toon running out without buff potions and charges is like running out without a full template. You can win some fights, but most people you will be fighting in 1 vs 1 fights will have most if not all buff/charges up. I know that is tough on a casual player, but that is the situation.

I do agree Jezzmin. Playing a solo visi toon is maybe one of the hardest things to do on this server. You have to have a moderately expensive, if not very expensive template, you need to run w/ potions and charges, you get ganked by groups of enemys AND you get ganked by groups of stealthers as well. Even if you manage to find success in all of that then you end up being in Bevi/Divin/Hercules/Arlen category where you spend 1-2 hours sitting around hoping sombody attacks you. Basically, the cards are stacked against you to start and then even if you manage to overcome that then you damn yourself by nobody wants to even attempt you in a fight.

pweet wrote:If you dont run fully buffed, dont expect any win with any class in 1v1. Either you do it and invest the time needed or better stay ATK.

Aye, agreed. I've fought some unbuffed shield tanks on my skald before I even knew how to kite decent and I've owned some in melee fight purely because I had all the buffs and they ran unbuffed . Any soloer who wants to be on top of his game or stand a chance needs to dedicate a lot of time into preparation .