This bashing on other people playstyles is getting really sad. I don't give people ****** ingame for playing the zerg/keep/stealther game apart from in guild/grp chat. On the other hand these people constantly whining that these 8v8 "elitist" players destroy the server is just beyond me. Like Zarkor said, they enjoy the game in their fashion and despite whatever you say it doesn't hurt you one bit and doesn't prevent you from playing how YOU want to enjoy it. If you get all butthurt if some dude whines at you for adding/zerging or whatever you should grow a pair and/or just ignore them.

For a server which staff emphasises not being "easy-mode" it baffles me how people blame the 8v8 crowd but are too damn lazy themselves to create RvR action. Apparently there's enough action in alb/mid frontiers for so called casual rvr, no reason Emain can't have the same if you so desire it. Agreed there could be adaptations to OF so it became more worthwhile or desirable for this playstyle but frankly it's far from ideal for 8v8 either yet this does seem to exist.

I'm agree.

Blue wrote:

Panchos wrote:So although the LIVE servers were designed for this, THIS server is not.. This server is designed around defending DF.

Uthgard still does not match live here, accepted. But if we complete OF to be full blown live like, I bet the play style and "no-add-policy" of some will not change. Perhaps there is a constant 50vs50vs50 fight at AMG required to destroy these structures. But like I said, some want that others not. Most likely the casual wants to hide in Zergs until he reaches sufficient RR but the high skilled player wants "fair" fights without adding by casuals.

Blue you are not getting the point. The fact that we have relatively high amount of "no-add-policy" (which should in fact be "fair fight policy" for most of us) players in end RvR is not what keeps other players from doing end RvR. Casual RvR simply does not cut it to those who want to focus on it in end RvR within the current setting (not enough incentives), hence they mostly go to BGs or DF. A couple do indeed choose to raid keeps/do guardtasks (which is an awful feature imo), but there still are SO many casual players lacking in OF due to the current setting, not to any specific playstyle or player that actually still does end RvR.

That is why it's completely wrong to blame them. OF has the capability (with the 3 zones) to let playstyles co-exist. The problem is that there has to be a threshold of activity for certain playstyles to be viable, which there currently simply isn't for any other than FG based RvR. Address the issues so that casual activity will reach a critical level where it will start attracting more and more players and before you know it you have an entirely new form of endgame RvR open to everyone that does not want to be messing around with the whole FG thingy.

Trying to "destroy" fg based RvR because of the misconception that it interferes with the establishment of other playstyles is probably one of the worst ideas I can think of. To be honest I find it quite sad and disappointing to hear such bullshit from a staff member...

In all, I find it quite absurd to point fingers to the players that actually do still RvR in this setting, rather than investigating what the real problems are and why there are so many players not participating. Once again, no, the answer is NOT the players that currently still RvR, not at all...

Maidrion wrote:Agreed there could be adaptations to OF so it became more worthwhile or desirable for this playstyle but frankly it's far from ideal for 8v8 either yet this does seem to exist.

The thing is that casual RvR is weaker than 8v8 RvR in the sense that a casual RvR player/smallgrp will be on a FGs menu every time while the casual menu is restricted to other casual players or perhaps xpers. FGs on top of this bonus have other FGs to fight, so that in all, their action level is acceptable and generally more rewarding than any other playstyle currently out there.

So, because FG RvR is naturally stronger than casual RvR, it needs less adaptations or game setting support to survive unideal situations. That is also why the advocated changes to support casual RvR are needed so badly. Casual RvR is currently lacking both sources of activity (xpers and other casual players).

Zarkor wrote:

Blue wrote:

Panchos wrote:So although the LIVE servers were designed for this, THIS server is not.. This server is designed around defending DF.

Uthgard still does not match live here, accepted. But if we complete OF to be full blown live like, I bet the play style and "no-add-policy" of some will not change. Perhaps there is a constant 50vs50vs50 fight at AMG required to destroy these structures. But like I said, some want that others not. Most likely the casual wants to hide in Zergs until he reaches sufficient RR but the high skilled player wants "fair" fights without adding by casuals.

Blue you are not getting the point. blablabla

no. you just dont get it. you are annoying, nothing else

Galandriel2 wrote:no. you just dont get it. you are annoying, nothing else

Kind of sad that this was the only thing you could add to this discussion don't you think?