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Ryan Wreckz
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Postby Ryan Wreckz » Feb 09, 2012 07:32

Ive already searched the forums for an answer and have found nothing about when bow procs will be fixed. I was told by a gm that this is a low priorety matter but isnt making weapons fair more important than things like removing realm speed and stuff like that. If anyone can aswer when bows might proc or have a link for a thread i missed id appreciate it thanks

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Postby Austerim » Feb 09, 2012 07:35

It's a tricky thing to fix and I don't think Blue is in a hurry to improve Rangers even more.
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lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby Sumpftopf » Feb 09, 2012 09:03

Austerim wrote:It's a tricky thing to fix and I don't think Blue is in a hurry to improve Rangers even more.



Maybe it's hard to believe (especially at Albion Mile Gate :D ) , but there are not only Rangers in the universe ... :wink:
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Postby RonELuvv » Feb 09, 2012 22:48

Yes, this change would affect scouts, hunters, and even tanks that pull in PvE with bow. In saying that, if you have read the forums at all you know if they put bow proc's in then it would be even more of a flame fest against rangers. Nevermind the fact that besides celtic duel and buffs (hunters even get 2 of the rangers 4 buffs) everything else people complain about with rangers scouts and hunters have access to as well. For example, PD, MoS, Camo, IP....

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Postby Austerim » Feb 09, 2012 22:59

Sumpftopf wrote:
Austerim wrote:It's a tricky thing to fix and I don't think Blue is in a hurry to improve Rangers even more.



Maybe it's hard to believe (especially at Albion Mile Gate :D ) , but there are not only Rangers in the universe ... :wink:
Compare the populations of Scouts and Hunters to Rangers. ;)
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[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt
[3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck
lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby RonELuvv » Feb 09, 2012 23:12

If there were "Hunter OP'd Threads" all over the forums I think you would see alot more of them out at the frontiers. You have played this game long enough to know that people make the class that people say is op'd because they think it will be easy. If ranger was really that easy do you think Death Row would have the #'s they do at AMG all the time? Hell no they wouldnt, because if it was truly that op'd there would only be solo rangers running around. Now scouts on the other hand are in a whole bottom class of stealthers all by themselves.

I'm not saying hunter is = to ranger, but hunters when well played can be every bit as much of a problem for assasins as a ranger can be. 95% of complaints about rangers come from assasins. They think that since a ranger can beat them fairly consistantly that means ranger is op'd. When in fact, that logic doesnt hold up. DAoC is not a game designed on if A beats B, and B beats C, that A can automatically beat C. It is paper, rock, scissors where every class has good matchups and bad matchups. Please tell me the other class besides hunter and ranger that give assasins a hard time in even fights? The answer is none. Now a ranger on the other hand is HORRIBLE against friars, bad against SM's, bad against well played Merc's or Warriors, and has many other classes that give them some troubles (skald/thane/ well played bd etc..).

So using a infiltrators or SB's logic then I guess I should start spamming threads about how op'd a friar is because I've been beat by friars WAY below my RR with all of my RA's up.....


List of Differences between Hunter and Ranger:

Ranger: Celtic Duel and 4 self buffs (strengh, d/q, dmg add, af)
Hunter: 2 hand weapon (some say dmg is bugged on this as well but havent seen any tests on this), pet (i know dmg is bugged), and 2 of the buffs rangers get (d/q, af) * if pet is doing proper dmg it is equivalent to the dmg add spell rangers get and it can rupture casters or other ranged stealthers to either close distance to mele or kite back.

So all in all hunters are missing out on duel wield but get 2h dmg in place of celtic duel and when pets get fixed the only thing they will be lacking is the str buff that rangers have.

The fact is that hunter is a perfectly viable class alltho it does have some minor implementation issues with it. 2h dmg is claimed to be bugged and pet dmg is definately less then it was on live alltho Blue has acknowledged that the PvE mob dmg fix will correct this issue.
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Postby RonELuvv » Feb 09, 2012 23:22

Austerim wrote:
Sumpftopf wrote:
Austerim wrote:It's a tricky thing to fix and I don't think Blue is in a hurry to improve Rangers even more.



Maybe it's hard to believe (especially at Albion Mile Gate :D ) , but there are not only Rangers in the universe ... :wink:
Compare the populations of Scouts and Hunters to Rangers. ;)



Compare the populations of Infiltrators to Rangers that are above 4L2.... they are almost the exact same...

Rangers above 4L2: 459
Infiltratros above 4L2: 450

Yet every single Inf says ranger is op'd and the proof is with how many rangers there are playing....

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