I'm just wondering who thought it made sense to label this as a classic server. Just because it has no ToA? No Cata/Lab classes? Is that really the definition of classic?

I don't understand. For one thing, Alchemy on this server has nerfed potions and dumb barrels instead of pot charges. Who thought it would be a good idea to make endo pots last 2 minutes? Why does the server have certain updated spell lines from 2004+ (Earth Wizard DoTs, Dragonfang style for example) but not others (like Enchanter pet snare nerf, archers with PD, Paladin HP boost, Skald WS boost, etc)? Why do random areas in OF give bonus experience? Why is there a random zone that doesn't even exist on live?

On top of that, why are there STILL serious issues like WS not increasing your chance to bypass enemy defenses, no cross-realming timer, and broken housing issues with the ME and no porters.

To be honest, my biggest peeve is potions having a minute reuse timer and having very short durations. Seriously, put them the way they are on live or don't put them in at all.

Is this really a classic server, or just someone who made a shard of DAoC the way they want the game to be?

classic-in-progress, I'd call it

They decided at some point that they wanted to go the classic route, but lack of manpower prevents them to really get there. So what you end up with is a mosaic of patch levels and missing stuff. That's actually one of the reasons why I would like for them to go back to NF, just because that seeemed kind of less broken and completion of classes and abilities etc was perhaps more realistic than now with all the added complexity of researching things that don't exist anymore. Moreover, they already said at some point that they will do custom stuff to keeps etc to bring the experience more in line with what we had with NF (porting to keeps, I think was the main point there).

/shrug ^^

Uthgard Classic != what live labeled as Classic (which was only taking out ToA really). I would advise you to read up their goals cause a lot of points you mentioned would then already be answered.

In my opinion, Id define Uthgard as old classic because...

1) Old Fronteirs
2) Slow Leveling
3) Slow Regeneration
4) Slow Combat (No ToA bonuses to enhance speeds)
5) No zones beyond SI... Although would really love to have SI.

I would love to have a server similar to new Classic Live servers again. It was actually a server with ToA and buffbots taken out, but still had all the updated abilities and ToA bonuses.

As for the Alchemy thing, Invigoration potions were 2minutes long when they originally came out. All the servers on Freeshards seem to have the old Crafting lines, havent seen one with craftable Dragonsworn items or updated Alchemy etc.

You cannot ask for much as this is a Freeshard server. The GM's here dedicate their own time to better the server and try to make it as close to Classic they can. So you might as well stop asking *Why does this server not have ____?* because changes are going to be slow. The GM's must set time on the side for this server, unlike live where paid employees are there all day to correct any issues.

A state of classic is the main goal of Uthgard.
Sure, there are and there will always be some costum features. This state of classic would never be equal to the definition of live's classic.

You really should read the goals of Uthgard and invest some time in the server.

_Oglop_ wrote:You cannot ask for much as this is a Freeshard server. The GM's here dedicate their own time to better the server and try to make it as close to Classic they can. So you might as well stop asking *Why does this server not have ____?* because changes are going to be slow. The GM's must set time on the side for this server, unlike live where paid employees are there all day to correct any issues.

Thank you, I was about to type something very similiar. I was just talking with a buddy of mine on game about this, and I honestly dont know how the GM's here do it. If this was my server I would have quit working on this server and hung it up a long time ago. You will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (etc. for infinity) please everyone on this server. Hell, even in your own post you mix up classic DAOC with what happened later on. For starters, in true classic DAOC things like the reaver and animist didnt even exist. The Shar and Half-Ogre were not on classic either. Yes, this is a CUSTOM free shard. It is trying to come as close to what classic was meant to be in the GM's eyes. I get some of your frustrations, but if you dont like the settings on the server then nobody will make you log in and play. You can always start your own free shard server with whatever settings you would like. Essentially, everyones idea of a "classic" server is different. My thoughts would be pre Shrouded Isles as "classic" but I think most people view pre-ToA as "classic".

When this project started SI was the newest Add On running on live. When ToA came out we decided to create a server with no ToA content, just the classic style and no buffbots.
You can not say patch 1.XX is perfect! stay with that ... some things really were messed up these days so Uthgard evolved with every patch since 1.80 where major class changes were introduced but with no cata classes, no ToA, ML, CL this would be a really bad change.
Why increasing damage when you have ~40% less hitpoints and no cata classes to compete with.

So there was a break in 1.80.

In the beginning there were SI zones but they were switched off to first implement full classic (mobs + drops) and not just have two large zones with lower utility.

Don't mess up features and bugs.
WS penetrating defense will come if developers have the time to.
Don't want to repeat all that so I refer to RonELuvv.

RonELuvv wrote: It is trying to come as close to what classic was meant to be in the GM's eyes.

THIS


All the old players who have played on live before SI is wrong and distracting from the truth. Know matter how much evidence is made up/produced, only Blue's insight on Classic is correct, regardless of lack of staff or devs. We love the price of "free" but we don't demand anything. We take what we get because we are all addicts on this high population server.... Every day we play is a day we all exploit bugs on a passive level, evade rate, parry, block rate, and class issues just to name a few. The trick is everyone knowing how to use these passive bugs to there advantage.


That is not classic.....

I try to never play this server as a classic server. You should play this server as a someone else interpretation as as "DAOC server"


This server is no different then any other daoc shard server. It will never be a "classic" server, it will be someones twist on a classic server from live. Never close to the real thing that we all remember playing.

Alpha Adept wrote:This server is no different then any other daoc shard server. It will never be a "classic" server, it will be someones twist on a classic server from live. Never close to the real thing that we all remember playing.

Well said.

I'm very happy everyone is shutting down this thread in a way, and just wanted to add my own bit to 'retalliate' if you will to the first poster, sorry forgot your name. Anyhow, IT'S FREE. The GMs, which work free, update to the best of their abilities with the content that they have. If you don't like the "graphics", turn off the TOA graphcis(like me). If you don't like the "mechanics", stop, take a second, and think. IT'S FREE. That's what your conclusion should be to all of your negative thoughts. These people that work on this 'shard' are simply amazing. They dedicate time for THEIR LIVES AND FREETIME to make things FREE, FOR YOU. So seriously, cool story, bro.