Hi there,

I remember a post of a staf member about some plans of optical improvement of some armor at uth.

At the moment mostly every char looks equal, only few players have reskin on their gear.

So I would like to see the epic torsos improved, there would be only a small fix necessary so ppl would build them in their temps.

Just remove the charge on it and put a mhb reproc on it, that `s it, please think about that point.

Would be nice look to see more ppl with Epic on, atm its a waste, nobody wears epic cause they suck :-/. I remember they got a stat improvement at live servers later too.

Greetz
Megrim

An additional quest would be cool. Finish the quest and an NPC would let you choose the proc type (DD/DoT/MHB maybe even others). Similar to Alifa quest when you can choose the cloak type.

Would be a custom-change, but i would like it. (for the Patch-aim)

This was also the Reason, that Mythic improved the stats on the Epicarmor later. After Spellcraft (later ToA) everyone put the old good epic into vault, cause it was totally outdated. Good stuff became crap sh*t. Sad

There was a large topic about Epic-quests/Armor in the german section when I remember right.

There were a lot of very good resolutions.

Such as:
-Epic-armor as Reskins
-Epic-Armor as 99% unspelled/unprocced armorpiece
-Better procs/stats for it
-Usable for every lvl and tradeable

Afaik some GMs planned to change sth on this, but not sure hwo it is going since they all got their own big package.

Personally I dont think anything needs to be done. I'm currently respellcrafting for 3 pieces of epic on my paladin and 4 pieces on my cleric. The cleric's temp is cap-all and the paladin is only missing some (already very low) parry. Sure the charges are lame but thats the _cost_ associated with wanting to look cool.

The key is to make a little small change, staff would say maybe yes to a small custom change, if u want the stats improved reproc choice etc. they would probably say no, I hope many ppl. like the idea of improvement and the staff will make us happy.

In my opinionthe epics can keep the creepy stats, so its a challenge to build them into temps, but there must be a reprov everbody can live with it and mhb is usual.
What you saying staff members? .-)

Greetz
Megrim

Considering the epic quest's aren't even fully implemented I dont think its a worthwhile idea to entertain any changes to them myself since they can be obtained so easily.

What I'd like to see to improve epics is someone to find _all_ quest dialog and _all_ quest steps for all old epics

Abydos wrote:Considering the epic quest's aren't even fully implemented I dont think its a worthwhile idea to entertain any changes to them myself since they can be obtained so easily.

What I'd like to see to improve epics is someone to find _all_ quest dialog and _all_ quest steps for all old epics

But where can you find those? New Epic is no problem, but old?
I'd really love to see all Epics implemented (and you have to do ALL to get the 50 Epic ;P)

Abydos wrote:What I'd like to see to improve epics is someone to find _all_ quest dialog and _all_ quest steps for all old epics

Sorry if someone had already pointed out the following links, but, since on allakhazam almost old epics are reported here:
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/Epic_List2.html
wouldn't be easy to implement them reinventing temporary the few missing ones?
Other sites with Classic epics do exist.
This one is in Italian: http://www.valmerwolf.com/quest/quest.htm
Under the voice Vecchie Epiche (Old Epics) you cand find all hibernian classic quests and
also a couple of Albion classes.

On daocpedia there seems to be most of the Classic Epics as well: http://de.daocpedia.eu/index.php/Quests ... he_Classic

I think that merging the info on those three sites, then the vital missing details would be very few, and they could be reinvented according to the environment of the other classic quests.
I could translate the italian ones on valmerwolf.com in english, if it could help

Good work Badtzmaru, the steps look complete even the dialogues are written down.

If I understand you right Abydos the reproc change would be ok if the epic is harder to get (make all classic quest steps?) Or you just want to implement the missing steps and keep them as they are?

Atm nobody gets the epic, its available with lvl. 50 and has req. of lvl. 50 to wear it.
As lvl. 50 you `ve been to thid and wear your final template usually, so no sence to get the epic anyway at the moment and nobody builds temp with it, cause stats and charges suck anyway and we having spellcrafting to build up better armor parts to fit templates. Thats the reason the epics got improved later at live servers due cause of spellcrafted items.

Example Bard Chest: "Moonsung Hauberk" Regrowth +3 / Nurture +3 / Con +13 / Char +15 (UT. 25) , the stats are really crap, and a mp spellcrafted torso has a reproc and UT of 37.5 , no need to build a temp with it only for skin.

I m just laughing imagine a situation when a lvl. 50 Char in epic asks for emain group, the reactions would be funny I guess. :-D

So nobody missing the futher quest steps, cause nobody misses the epic, therefore my suggestion to make them more viable for templates.
Sure it would be nice to have the whole epic steps in that case too, deal? ,-)

Hope you consider that in your decision, as i said I think it would be nice looking to see more ppl wearing the nice looking epic chests and not everybody wears 0815 crafted armor and I m pretty sure you agree in that point, atm epics are just wasted.

Greetings
Megrim

Jerrian wrote:If I understand you right Abydos the reproc change would be ok if the epic is harder to get (make all classic quest steps?) Or you just want to implement the missing steps and keep them as they are?

My point was more that it is best to get things working correctly first before entertaining the idea of customization. I am not saying anything would be customized.

Regarding the merging of the information:

Yes, someone must indeed verify/validate that all quest text/steps are indeed there. They can be implemented with this text, but it is difficult/extremely time consuming if they are in different locations. I am also hesitant to ask folks to undertake the task unless there is a commitment and ability to complete all epics for all 3 realms. It doesn't make much sense to implement all of hib's epics if we cant do the same for alb and mid.

Jerrian wrote:Good work Badtzmaru, the steps look complete even the dialogues are written down.

But are they? The first example I clicked is incomplete.
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/quests.ht ... cquest=356
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/quests.html?cquest=297
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/quests.ht ... cquest=299

If people want to have very special items Skins (epic-armor-skin) AND with very good stats, that leave the epic quests as they are atm.

maybe more concentration on SI and the High Dungeons (there do complete Sets drop with epic-skin and nice stats)

Magicco wrote:If people want to have very special items Skins (epic-armor-skin) AND with very good stats, that leave the epic quests as they are atm.

maybe more concentration on SI and the High Dungeons (there do complete Sets drop with epic-skin and nice stats)

Good point.

There are only 243 quests to log as well according to my count from zam :p

maybe lower the level restriction from 50 to 47 or sth like this. In the good ol' back days u got about 2-3 bubbles for this quest, so many people made it for the last important bubbles to get 50

only 243? than u will get soon out of work

Well, there `s no need to fix any steps when nothing changes at stats.
It `s easy to pick epic at time and less ppl get the epic cause of my listed points, I doubt ppl will get more interested when it is harder to get cause they all like to do pvm and quests... most ppl prefer rvr and hate any pvm or questing that `s fact.

Si is a good point, but when will it be released? Maybe after old Ra `s ?
1-2 years or so, would be easier just to put the mhb proc on epic and get the other quest steps I guess. I would help to check the quest steps, but without any custom changes at the epic stats it `s kinda wasted time :-/.