When a lvl 45 infi can kill a lvl 49 hunter that got the first hit in (prevented perf) and is sc'd w/nearly everything capped - something is definitely wrong.... isn't it?

Don't play a hunter then.

Its not as if you didn't know that hunters suck, its not a secret here.

And since you rolled a hunter anyway, at least have the decency not to whine when every hunter thread TOLD YOU SO.

No offense intended.

hammeron wrote:When a lvl 45 infi can kill a lvl 49 hunter that got the first hit in (prevented perf) and is sc'd w/nearly everything capped - something is definitely wrong.... isn't it?

Look for bugreports which point to unfixed hunter bugs and bump. Or alternatively look for hunter bugs and report them if they are not reported yet. You could also look for Infi bugs which make them OP and report or bump them.

These are your options.

Braxis wrote:Don't play a hunter then.

Its not as if you didn't know that hunters suck, its not a secret here.

And since you rolled a hunter anyway, at least have the decency not to whine when every hunter thread TOLD YOU SO.

No offense intended.

So, by your logic, everyone knows a hunter sucks, therefore, never play a hunter. I decide to mention it in order to suggest that something might be wrong and you say i'm whining? If EVERYONE knows that hunters suck, then doesn't that imply even more that something needs to be fixed? I'd hate to see what your house/car/room/life looks like since you just accept broken things and do nothing about it.

Generic "XXX class is OP'd" or "XXX class sucks" thread accomplish absolutely NOTHING!!

Perhaps the INF got lucky and evaded 5+ times in a row
Perhaps their weapons procc'd every hit
Perhaps an archer added and you just didn't notice
Perhaps you got unlucky and fumbled 3+ times that fight
Perhaps he is just a better player than you
Perhaps he kited to give himself time to repoison and wear you down that way
Alb Leather is neutral to slash and Mid RF is weak to pierce. You didn't say what type weapons you were using.
Albs have all 3 STR relics so 10% bonus to melee.


There are thousands and perhaps millions of possible reasons why you lost that fight.

Next time post logs or screenshots rather than taking the shotgum approach and condemning an entire class based upon a single fight.

No defense penetration, so the fact that you had WAY more weaponskill from stats/spec didn't matter. On top of that, the fact that the inf had weak stats/spec wouldn't matter versus your evade because he's using DW and there is no defense penetration.


So his evade will be very high, yours will be very low. On live it wouldn't be so extreme and you'd prolly destroy him easily.

Agreed w/ the above 2 posts. I'm not saying your QQ'ing or anything like that, but just because you lose a fight you feel you should have won does not mean they should nerf a class or that there has to be a bug associated. Yes, its quite possible that there was a bug that caused this, but without logs of the battle and a complete list of ALL details there is no way to find out. I have been beaten by lower RR and lower lvl players before, and more often then not its one of the many reasons listed above. Player has better items, player is just overall better, player gets off a lucky streak of procs or a lucky streak of evades.... The list goes on and on. Now if every time you face a char 4-5 lvl's lower then you and you are dying then I woudl say that maybe there is a problem, but once again, it's hard to say if you don't have any info to back up your claim. Seyha is very good about posting bug reports on hunters so maybe you should contact him in game.

sure wasn't trying to condemn any class. maybe my thinking is all wrong but I though lvl and rr had alot to do with things like evade and procs. I realize that his evade is higher than mine but shouldn't my higher level/rr affect that? It always seems i proc and evade more when fighting lower level characters. Even if he was completely sc'd as well, my procs are lvl 47 and his would be lower - maybe 45 or even 40 lvl procs. which I should resist more due to 4 levels higher. I was using thrust which alb leather is vulnerable to iirc. And the main thing that really throws me is he didn't land a perf and he still won. I really don't get that. Sorry to anyone if I offended them - was just trying to get info.

No offense taken, was just pointing out alot of posts on here that start like your's did are usually a call to nerf or "fix" a class because they lost to sombody lower then them. For starters, if you were fighting an inf then they are not vulnerable to thrust, they are vulnerable to blunt. Your lvl and RR should not effect much except in that battle except that you will have higher skills and slightly higher stats. Chances are he was completely templated as well. He would not have had lvl 47 procs, but he very well could have had high viper and also went on a lucky streak of evades. Might have also been high Master of Pain and got a few well placed crit shots in. It is not out of the realm of possibilites for a lvl 45 to beat a lvl 49. Another thing to think about is matchups. I've never played a hunter or an inf so I dont know how they match up against each other, but I can say that on my ranger I have several bad matchups. Reavers are tough for my ranger even if they are way lower then me on RR's, unless I have purge up. Friar's whip my rangers' butt 85% of the time regardless of RR and even if I have ip and purge up. Only way i beat a friar is if he is stupid enough to chase me and not heal and I'm able to kite the crap out of him. Mintrils are easily soloable for my ranger, but only if he sticks around to fight me, which most do not.

hammeron wrote:I was using thrust which alb leather is vulnerable to iirc.

no....exactly opposite actually

Icharus wrote:Alb Leather is neutral to slash and Mid RF is weak to pierce. You didn't say what type weapons you were using.

quite the opposite...hunters have thrust-dmg right? alb-leather is resist to thrust...mid studded is neutral to thrust, but if it was a thrust inf: mid-studded is resistant to thrust too ..noticed that with my arms hitting for 220(-170) or something

anyway: daoc is stone-paper-scissors system...archers are just not made for killing assasins...ofc depending on spec and RAs and player skill etc. but still hunter are supposed to be weaker than infs in duels...hunters have a pet..use it...land some snare style, run a little distance and send pet for inf...he'll be hit for the whole time, while u can keep running...as soon as he decides to get rid of the pet: turn and shot ...this way even main-tanks hardly have a chance vs kite-hunters...or rangers (which can just shot twice and run til stealth and then kite u again, but thats another story)...

hammeron wrote:When a lvl 45 infi can kill a lvl 49 hunter that got the first hit in (prevented perf) and is sc'd w/nearly everything capped - something is definitely wrong.... isn't it?

Probably something between chair and keyboard

Heh, my hunter got uncovered by a +4 level inf (he was 49) and I won. BAM!