Small video showing the "Not in view" melee bug that is haunting all melee classes. The problem is occuring when facing/sticking an enemy while not looking at the target right before that. Combine a style fast enough with that action and you will get the not in view message even though u are actually facing the target.

When pressing the style just a split second slower, your style will land as it should.

This bug has occurred evr since the delay upon entering combat or using styles (not 100% sure) was removed and is quite a logical consequence. It has also become impossible to backup styles on the first swing because there is no delay to press the backup style in.


To be honest the delay should just be reinstated as it was before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gljfXZZv88Y

Chatlog = same as vid.

*** Chat Log Opened: Sat Mar 26 20:27:08 2011

[20:27:08] To stop logging, type /chatlog again.
[20:27:13] You challenge Deamer to a duel!
[20:27:15] Deamer accepts the duel. Begin fighting!
[20:27:18] @@[Broad] Arma (50, Ranger): "2 : 0 !!!"
[20:27:26] You sheathe the bright duskwood exceptional buckler from your right hand.
[20:27:26] Your Cold resistance has decreased.
[20:27:26] Your Thrust resistance has decreased.
[20:27:26] Your Shields skill has decreased.
[20:27:26] Your Strength has decreased.
[20:27:26] You wield the bright arcanite exceptional short sword in your left hand.
[20:27:26] The magic of the bright arcanite exceptional short sword flows through you.
[20:27:26] Your Cold resistance has increased.
[20:27:26] Your Thrust resistance has increased.
[20:27:26] Your Celtic Dual skill has increased.
[20:27:26] Your Strength has increased.
[20:27:26] You are too far away to give anything to the Blees's Grave.
[20:27:26] You target [the Blees's Grave].
[20:27:26] Target is not in view.
[20:27:27] You target [Deamer].
[20:27:27] You examine Deamer. He is a member of the Druid class in your realm.
[20:27:31] You prepare to sprint!
[20:27:33] You are no longer ready to sprint.
[20:27:37] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:37] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:27:37] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:27:37] You perform your Ice Storm perfectly! (+118)
[20:27:37] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 210 (-49) damage!
[20:27:37] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:27:37] @@[Broad] Daireann (50, Druid in Pennine Mountains): "for kasachstan or ger? "
[20:27:38] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:39] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:27:39] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:27:39] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:27:40] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:40] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:27:40] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:27:41] You perform your Ice Storm perfectly! (+98)
[20:27:41] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 175 (-40) damage!
[20:27:41] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 64 (-14) damage!
[20:27:41] You critical hit Deamer for an additional 32 damage!
[20:27:41] Deamer already has that effect.
[20:27:41] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed.
[20:27:41] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:27:47] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:48] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:27:48] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:27:48] Deamer is not in view!
[20:27:48] You miss!
[20:27:48] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 56 (-12) damage!
[20:27:48] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:27:51] @@[Broad] Arma (50, Ranger): "what a question^^"
[20:27:52] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:53] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:27:53] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:27:54] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:27:54] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:27:54] You perform your Ice Storm perfectly! (+115)
[20:27:54] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 205 (-48) damage!
[20:27:54] A barrier absorbs 100 damage of your attack!
[20:27:54] You miss!
[20:27:54] Deamer can't have that effect again yet!
[20:27:54] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:00] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:00] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:00] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+63)
[20:28:00] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 133 (-31) damage!
[20:28:00] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 66 (-15) damage!
[20:28:00] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:01] @@[Broad] Arma (50, Ranger): "germ...^"
[20:28:06] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:06] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:08] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:08] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:08] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:08] Deamer is not in view!
[20:28:08] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 95 (-22) damage!
[20:28:08] A barrier absorbs 47 damage of your attack!
[20:28:08] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 60 (-14) damage!
[20:28:08] A barrier absorbs 30 damage of your attack!
[20:28:09] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:10] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:10] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:10] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:11] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:12] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:12] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:13] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:13] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+76)
[20:28:13] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 160 (-37) damage!
[20:28:13] A barrier absorbs 23 damage of your attack!
[20:28:13] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 67 (-15) damage!
[20:28:13] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:15] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:15] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:15] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:15] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+82)
[20:28:15] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 172 (-40) damage!
[20:28:15] Deamer begins moving more slowly!
[20:28:16] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:20] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:20] Deamer begins moving more quickly.
[20:28:21] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:21] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:21] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+76)
[20:28:21] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 160 (-37) damage!
[20:28:21] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:22] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:23] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:26] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:28:27] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:27] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:28:27] Deamer is not in view!
[20:28:27] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 104 (-24) damage!
[20:28:27] You miss!
[20:28:27] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:28:29] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:28:30] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 51 (-11) damage!
[20:28:41] @@[Broad] Moondragon (50, Ranger): "which non-athletic sport is that in?"
[20:29:02] @@[Broad] Daireann (50, Druid in Pennine Mountains): "beer drinking"
[20:29:03] @@[Broad] Moondragon (50, Ranger): "oh, soccer"
[20:29:14] @@[LFG] Kypax (50, Blademaster in Connacht): "rvr"
[20:29:23] You target [Deamer].
[20:29:23] You examine Deamer. He is a member of the Druid class in your realm.
[20:29:26] @@[Broad] Littleluc (50, Ranger): "its not soccer its football ;D"
[20:29:33] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:34] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:34] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:29:34] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+80)
[20:29:34] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 169 (-39) damage!
[20:29:34] A barrier absorbs 84 damage of your attack!
[20:29:34] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:35] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:36] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:36] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:29:36] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:38] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:38] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:38] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:29:38] Deamer is not in view!
[20:29:38] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 103 (-24) damage!
[20:29:38] A barrier absorbs 16 damage of your attack!
[20:29:38] You miss!
[20:29:38] Deamer begins moving more slowly!
[20:29:39] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:43] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:43] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:43] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:29:43] Deamer is not in view!
[20:29:43] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 112 (-26) damage!
[20:29:43] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 61 (-14) damage!
[20:29:44] Deamer begins moving more quickly.
[20:29:44] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:48] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:48] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:48] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:29:48] Deamer is not in view!
[20:29:48] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 58 (-13) damage!
[20:29:48] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:50] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:51] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:52] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:52] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:52] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:29:52] You perform your Ice Storm perfectly! (+104)
[20:29:52] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 186 (-43) damage!
[20:29:52] You hit Deamer for 94 (-30) damage!
[20:29:53] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:54] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:54] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:54] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:54] You prepare to perform a Ice Storm!
[20:29:56] @@[Trade] Vendran (50, Ranger): "WTS : Band of Acherontic Arts // 4 all magic skills / 16 con / 16 auc / 7 power / 10 charges dex/quick debuff .........only sends with offer plz"
[20:29:57] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:29:57] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:29:57] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:29:57] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+75)
[20:29:57] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 158 (-37) damage!
[20:29:57] A barrier absorbs 79 damage of your attack!
[20:29:58] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:29:59] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:00] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:02] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:02] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:02] Your character has been saved.
[20:30:03] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:03] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:03] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+64)
[20:30:03] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 135 (-31) damage!
[20:30:03] A barrier absorbs 21 damage of your attack!
[20:30:04] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:05] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:07] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:07] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:07] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:07] Deamer is not in view!
[20:30:07] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 118 (-27) damage!
[20:30:07] You critical hit Deamer for an additional 39 damage!
[20:30:07] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 64 (-14) damage!
[20:30:07] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:15] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:15] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:15] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:15] Deamer is not in view!
[20:30:15] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 55 (-12) damage!
[20:30:15] You critical hit Deamer for an additional 27 damage!
[20:30:17] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:18] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:18] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:18] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:19] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+78)
[20:30:19] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 165 (-38) damage!
[20:30:19] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 53 (-12) damage!
[20:30:19] You hit Deamer for 94 (-30) damage!
[20:30:19] Deamer begins moving more slowly!
[20:30:19] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:21] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:21] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:21] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:21] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+70)
[20:30:21] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 147 (-34) damage!
[20:30:21] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite exceptional short sword and hit for 52 (-11) damage!
[20:30:21] You critical hit Deamer for an additional 7 damage!
[20:30:22] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:23] You auto-face Deamer.
[20:30:24] Deamer begins moving more quickly.
[20:30:24] You are no longer facing your target.
[20:30:25] You auto-stick Deamer.
[20:30:25] You enter combat mode and target [Deamer]
[20:30:25] You prepare to perform a Squall!
[20:30:25] You perform your Squall perfectly! (+75)
[20:30:25] You attack Deamer with your bright arcanite weighted long sword and hit for 158 (-36) damage!
[20:30:25] Your duel ends!
[20:30:25] You just killed Deamer!
[20:30:25] Deamer's enhanced agility fades.
[20:30:25] Deamer's enhanced agility fades.
[20:30:25] Deamer's enhanced vigor fades.
[20:30:25] Deamer's extra strength fades.
[20:30:25] Deamer just died. His corpse lies on the ground.
[20:30:25] Frigzy wins the duel!
[20:30:25] You are no longer sticking your target.
[20:30:30] @@[LFG] Nizari (43, Ranger in Darkness Falls): "lfg exp or df"
[20:30:44] Deamer looks more agile!
[20:30:47] Deamer looks more agile!
[20:30:49] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up.
[20:30:49] You were recently in combat and must wait longer to quit.
[20:30:49] You will quit after sitting for 36 seconds. Type '/stand' or move if you don't want to quit.
[20:30:49] Deamer looks more healthy!
[20:30:50] Deamer feels stronger!

*** Chat Log Closed: Sat Mar 26 20:30:54 2011

Uthgard is different when it comes to opening style, i like it better here as u dont have to hit ur style eons before the target actually comes in range.
But ofc if u use it like u did in the video u will get oov, its not a bugg just the way uthgard mechanics behave, adjust and learn to coop with it.

Jonah wrote:Uthgard is different when it comes to opening style, i like it better here as u dont have to hit ur style eons before the target actually comes in range.
But ofc if u use it like u did in the video u will get oov, its not a bugg just the way uthgard mechanics behave, adjust and learn to coop with it.

No, it's a bug that occurs since the delay got removed, period.

Will take a look at it. But the delay will stay removed as I removed it because it was not on live servers. At least not noticable like on Uthgard. Also its hard to imagine what an artificial delay can help in this case, you could also press the key 500ms later and have the same result.

There are two points which cause out of view:
a) Your target is not in a 120 degree arc in front of you
b) Client sends an InView flag which takes LOS into account and that flag signals OOV

The OOV check is completely disabled on Uthgard if you are in 64 units distance while the target is moving and 32 units when standing still. Live like are 32 units. The little extension to 64 for movement is an Uthgard feature but as it seems it does not help in this case.

I would really like to see a similar situation on live servers for comparison.

Btw I tested PA out of range as that was a similar point by davidoof and found out that live servers dont tell you when your style fails cause of out of range, Uthgard tells you out of range and fail message. The rest was live like.

If all OOV checks are disabled how come u still get oov in combat then? Is it lagg that makes ur client to guess where u going when u move in combat and therefor the server believes u are more then 64 units away or what is it?

And i still dont see this as a bugg as u had same problems on live, game mechanics and lagg make the game like this and its the same for all. Inserting the delay again will not make this phenomen go away. First attack is easy to time right not get oov, its worse with those while ur in combat u shoudnt have and a fix for those would be nice.

Blue wrote:Will take a look at it. But the delay will stay removed as I removed it because it was not on live servers. At least not noticable like on Uthgard. Also its hard to imagine what an artificial delay can help in this case, you could also press the key 500ms later and have the same result.

It's basically the same way now, or well very similar. Just like hit/style vs target checks used to be 500 ms after pressing the style before the "fix", now the hit/style check is like 500 ms before pressing the style which causes the target not in view/target out of range bugs (you get not in range when you're on top of a person if you were out of range just a fraction of a moment ago, you will land an unstyled hit immediately but your style will not go off, same as the out of view error) and some extremely weird timings on positional stuns via strafing.

Jonah wrote:And i still dont see this as a bugg as u had same problems on live, game mechanics and lagg make the game like this and its the same for all. Inserting the delay again will not make this phenomen go away. First attack is easy to time right not get oov, its worse with those while ur in combat u shoudnt have and a fix for those would be nice.

I'm sorry but that's just not true, you won't see out of view message for a style and land an unstyled hit instead at the very same moment on live. If you get an out of view message on live you won't land a hit at all because, guess what, your target is out of view. Inserting the delay back would be the perfect way to fix this situation but if 500 ms was too much it could, for example, simply be halved to 250 ms. Both problems easily solved.

Blue wrote:Also its hard to imagine what an artificial delay can help in this case, you could also press the key 500ms later and have the same result.

Not at all, the problem is simple: lag causes your style to go off at the moment you're still not facing your target, but on your screen you actually are facing the target just when u pressed the style. Notice how I land my style if I face and wait about 500ms when pressing the style, that's why the problem is as I just described, nothing else.

If you reinstate the delay, of which the removal was the cause of this bug, it will be fixed, and I am 100% certain of that. The pieces of the puzzle couldn't be more obvious, really. There's no real need to try to fix it some other way because the risk of damaging other aspects is way higher than the chance to solely fix the problem.

Zarkor wrote:If you reinstate the delay, of which the removal was the cause of this bug, it will be fixed, and I am 100% certain of that. The pieces of the puzzle couldn't be more obvious, really. There's no real need to try to fix it some other way because the risk of damaging other aspects is way higher than the chance to solely fix the problem.

This bug is indeed quite troublesome, poses a serious problem with ALL melee mechanics, and really should be removed to its previous state when ONLY some noob stealthers wined about not being able to time their pa's right.

Lemonjelly wrote:Inserting the delay back would be the perfect way to fix this situation but if 500 ms was too much it could, for example, simply be halved to 250 ms. Both problems easily solved.

Easy fix is easy.

There is also a bug where you will clearly hit a style which you should be able to pull off, and then do an unstyled attack anyway.


It happens when you get OOV, hit the style before you auto swing again, it just does an unstyled attack.

The on some occasions it will give you the animation for an unstyled attack, yet the style will fire. Sometimes It will look like I am doing an unstyled attack, but land stun styles so you've got unstyled attack animation landing stuns.


Super buggy.

Lemonjelly wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:Inserting the delay back would be the perfect way to fix this situation but if 500 ms was too much it could, for example, simply be halved to 250 ms. Both problems easily solved.

Easy fix is easy.

Perfect solution imo.

Zarkor wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:Inserting the delay back would be the perfect way to fix this situation but if 500 ms was too much it could, for example, simply be halved to 250 ms. Both problems easily solved.

Easy fix is easy.

Perfect solution imo.

It's done when it's done?

Introducing a delay for styled attacks again is customization and not live like. Its the same as pressing the style key 500ms later. Thats what the delay was and how it was coded. It was there for different reasons.

You say that you get oov and land an unstyled hit. That is what indeed should not happen for oov. On the other side this could be the retrigger of the swing timer in the same second which causes the unstyled hit. I would like to diagnose that ingame with debug outputs enable so when someone wants to help he should /callgm me.

Im also interested in live logs/vids of the very same situation for comparison.

Blue wrote:Introducing a delay for styled attacks again is customization and not live like. Its the same as pressing the style key 500ms later. Thats what the delay was and how it was coded. It was there for different reasons.

You say that you get oov and land an unstyled hit. That is what indeed should not happen for oov. On the other side this could be the retrigger of the swing timer in the same second which causes the unstyled hit. I would like to diagnose that ingame with debug outputs enable so when someone wants to help he should /callgm me.

Im also interested in live logs/vids of the very same situation for comparison.

I'm not going to be the guy livetesting, but how do you know the delay is not livelike?

Zarkor wrote:I'm not going to be the guy livetesting, but how do you know the delay is not livelike?

Because I went on live and tested it? The style is executed in the moment you press the style button when not incombat yet.