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Demiurgo
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 by Demiurgo » Dec 28, 2009 22:03
How is it exactly working the left weapon damage on hibernia?
In midgard your damage is raised by left axe skill, and you can use just left axes in left hand.
In albion, your damage is raised by subspecialization, so if you train 50 pierce 50 dual, and use a slash left weapon, your damage will be lowered because of your low slash skill
In hibernia, if i train 50 blades and 50 celtic dual and i wield a blade main hand and a pierce left weapon, will the left hand damage be lowered because my low pierce specialization like albion?
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by nixian » Dec 28, 2009 23:15
Moved to support
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Razzer
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by Razzer » Dec 28, 2009 23:47
Celtic Dual is the same system as Dual Wield.
CD is for % of dual hits and extra styles.
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Demiurgo
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by Demiurgo » Dec 29, 2009 00:17
So the base damage depends on your left hand type spec?
In albion I knew that for 2h/polearm/dual wield you had to train the subspec to decrease damage variation.
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Razzer
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by Razzer » Dec 29, 2009 00:49
Demiurgo wrote:So the base damage depends on your left hand type spec?
In albion I knew that for 2h/polearm/dual wield you had to train the subspec to decrease damage variation.
Yes in Albion you need a weapon spec for everything.
2h/polearms only grant 2h bonus and styles, not like Hibernia where you need only Celtic Spear or Large Weapons.
Same for Dual Wield - basedamage comes from your weaponspec (slash/thrust/crush) Uthgard till 2003!
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by Glacius » Dec 29, 2009 01:26
When u spec slash in alb or blades in hib u will get a higher style dmg beeing a DW er. base dmg remains the same if u r either 50+15 slash or 35+15 slash, yet..how i said..style dmg will be higher.
Rest..how he said, more points into DW,CD higher chances to hit with both hands.
U got 25% base chances to swing both hands, training 50 into DW/CD gives u extra 25% as 2 points into CD /DW gives 1% chance, so if u r 50 in CD/DW u got 50% chances..rest u can calculate it.
Laxe in midg is something else.
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by Zarkor » Dec 29, 2009 02:35
Razzer wrote:Celtic Dual is the same system as Dual Wield.
CD is for % of dual hits and extra styles.
So just to get it in short:
In Hib will your primary weapon spec also affect off-hand base damage (ie 2 different weapontypes won't be as much total damage output as 2 of the same with the appropriate spec).
Please correct me if I didn't get it right.
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by vangonaj » Dec 29, 2009 03:33
Better write formula XD.
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by Eclipsed » Dec 29, 2009 07:39
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Demiurgo
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by Demiurgo » Dec 29, 2009 16:45
Eclipsed wrote:http://roclar.net/DAoC/info.php#Melee
In this link i didn't find an answer. My question is:
I train 50 cd, 50 blades. Do I have more benefict using
main hand blade
left hand blade
or it is the same using
main hand blade
left hand blunt/pierce
(at same speed, quality, damage stat, ecc...)
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Nymeros
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by Nymeros » Dec 29, 2009 17:11
Everything is the same, Celtic Dual only affects:
1.) The chance to attack with both weapons
2.) Damage on CD styles
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by Razzer » Dec 29, 2009 17:34
It's not the same.
When you spec Blades then you have to take a Blade weapon as left hand - otherwise you will loose damage.
Blades affect your mainhand and your offhand basedamage.
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by Eclipsed » Dec 29, 2009 17:36
Of what ive learned over the years, when it comes to Celtic Dual and Dual Wielding, is that Both mainhand and offhand damage is based on your weapon type spec. So specing composite 50 piercing, with give you max damage on both main and offhand. What specing CD/DW does is increase the chance to duel hit, with a base chance of 25% + ( CD spec and item bonus * .68 ) This way your damage with offhand is 100% , but your chance to hit with both weapons is determind by your CD spec. Of what ive read about Left Axe is that Your mainhand damage is determinded by the mainhand weapons spec, and the offhand damage is determinded by the left axe forumla for damage, and left axe has its own ws to determine the offhands ws. This would sound worse, but the diffrence is that left axe duel hits every swing, just with lower offhand dmg and ws determind by the LA spec. So to sum things up.
CD/DW=
Mainhand Base Damage = Spec Piercing and Use a piercer
Offhand Base Damage = Spec Piercing and Use offhand Piercer
WS for Offhand = Spec Piercing for WS when using offhand piercer
Duel Hit Chance = % based on CD/DW spec
Left Axe=
Mainhand Base Damage = Spec Sword and use a Sword
Offhand Base Damage = Spec Left Axe and use a left axe in offhand
WS for Offhand = Spec Left Axe for WS when using left axe
Duel Hit Chance = 100%, but can still miss/defenses
http://www.camelotherald.com/news/news_ ... storyid=98
Q: I can't find the post you made about the way dual wield, celtic dual, and left axe works. Could you repost it?
A: Sure.
Albion: You wield a weapon in each hand. Each attack round, a coin is tossed - heads, you swing the right hand weapon, tails you swing the left. The speed of the attack is determined by the speed of the "winning" weapon. Damage is assessed for each swing based on the spec points you have into that damage type, just as it is if you're using a single weapon.
In addition, there is a 25% base chance of swinging both weapons. That's if you never put a single spec point into dual wield - the more you spec in dual, the greater the chance of swinging both weapons.
Midgard: Left axe is different. Obviously, you're limited to an axe in your left hand. You always swing with both weapons, every round - but the base damage is half what each weapon would normally hit for. This is modified by your spec points in left axe - there is a base bonus of 20%, and it goes up as you spec.
Your skill in left axe also determines the "floor" damage your left axe does. Your "floor" damage for your RIGHT hand is determined by your spec in that weapon type. The higher you spec in both left axe and your primary weapon, the higher your average damage per hand will be.
Damage is assessed by your skill in left axe, not by the spec you have in your primary weapon (note - you don't need to spec in axe, unless you're also using an axe as your primary weapon). You can't get away with only specing in left axe, though - you'll need to put points into your primary weapon type to get the cool styles.
Hibernia: See Albion. (/em hides)
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Razzer
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by Razzer » Dec 29, 2009 17:43
Eclipsed wrote:Of what ive learned over the years, when it comes to Celtic Dual and Dual Wielding, is that Both mainhand and offhand damage is based on your weapon type spec. So specing composite 50 piercing, with give you max damage on both main and offhand. What specing CD/DW does is increase the chance to duel hit, with a base chance of 25% + ( CD spec and item bonus * .68 ) This way your damage with offhand is 100% , but your chance to hit with both weapons is determind by your CD spec. Of what ive read about Left Axe is that Your mainhand damage is determinded by the mainhand weapons spec, and the offhand damage is determinded by the left axe forumla for damage, and left axe has its own ws to determine the offhands ws. This would sound worse, but the diffrence is that left axe duel hits every swing, just with lower offhand dmg and ws determind by the LA spec. So to sum things up. CD/DW= Mainhand Base Damage = Spec Piercing and Use a piercer Offhand Base Damage = Spec Piercing and Use offhand Piercer WS for Offhand = Spec Piercing for WS when using offhand piercer Duel Hit Chance = % based on CD/DW spec Left Axe= Mainhand Base Damage = Spec Sword and use a Sword Offhand Base Damage = Spec Left Axe and use a left axe in offhand WS for Offhand = Spec Left Axe for WS when using left axe Duel Hit Chance = 100%, but can still miss/defenses http://www.camelotherald.com/news/news_ ... storyid=98Q: I can't find the post you made about the way dual wield, celtic dual, and left axe works. Could you repost it?
A: Sure.
Albion: You wield a weapon in each hand. Each attack round, a coin is tossed - heads, you swing the right hand weapon, tails you swing the left. The speed of the attack is determined by the speed of the "winning" weapon. Damage is assessed for each swing based on the spec points you have into that damage type, just as it is if you're using a single weapon.
In addition, there is a 25% base chance of swinging both weapons. That's if you never put a single spec point into dual wield - the more you spec in dual, the greater the chance of swinging both weapons.
Midgard: Left axe is different. Obviously, you're limited to an axe in your left hand. You always swing with both weapons, every round - but the base damage is half what each weapon would normally hit for. This is modified by your spec points in left axe - there is a base bonus of 20%, and it goes up as you spec.
Your skill in left axe also determines the "floor" damage your left axe does. Your "floor" damage for your RIGHT hand is determined by your spec in that weapon type. The higher you spec in both left axe and your primary weapon, the higher your average damage per hand will be.
Damage is assessed by your skill in left axe, not by the spec you have in your primary weapon (note - you don't need to spec in axe, unless you're also using an axe as your primary weapon). You can't get away with only specing in left axe, though - you'll need to put points into your primary weapon type to get the cool styles.
Hibernia: See Albion. (/em hides)
Yes, but one of the important things is whenever a berserker or shadowblade uses MH/Left Axe the basedamage for both hands is reduced to 62,5% + 0,38%*LAspec. Uthgard till 2003!
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by Nymeros » Dec 29, 2009 17:49
Razzer wrote:It's not the same.
When you spec Blades then you have to take a Blade weapon as left hand - otherwise you will loose damage.
Blades affect your mainhand and your offhand basedamage.
My bad, didn't notice he mentioned using a different damage type in offhand.
So yes, every CD/DW user should use a weapon of the damage type they specced highest in their offhand.
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