Uthgard • View topic - Style dmg versus base dmg, totally live like?

Style dmg versus base dmg, totally live like?

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Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Nov 24, 2009 03:32 I was having a discussion with someone in game, and they were indicating that on Uthgard, style dmg does not continue to increase beyond composite 50 spec. On live it does. For example, on live a blademaster specced 39+11 blades and 50+11 CD will see more style dmg using an equal growth rate style from CD versus blades. However, if they were to spec 50+11 blades, and 50+11 CD, they would see equal base dmg when using CD styles from both specs. The latter spec would provide more style dmg than the first is using only blade styles. So I was just wondering if baes dmg caps (aside from 2Hander) at composite 50, and if style dmg continues to increase, like it is on live. Also would like to double check that 2H weapons continue to see the @H .5% base dmg bonus per level beyond composite 50 spec as well. Cheers.

Eclipsed Alerion Knight Posts: 1870 Joined: Apr 27, 2007 00:00	Reply with quote by Eclipsed » Nov 24, 2009 06:16 Composite 50 or 51 spec is the highest you need in your weapon type, to max your base dmg. But specing above 50/51 style spec will increase the style dmg out put, but after 50/51 the amout is diminished, compared to below 50/51. Ive alrdy tested that on my ranger on uthgard, with 34 pierc compared to 39 pierc on the test dummy, to see how much dmg bonus i got with the taunt and how much of a % did i lose, by dropping down to 34. Which i cant remember if it was like 4% or something lost in dmg from the style.

Nymeros Phoenix Knight Posts: 1426 Joined: Apr 12, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Nymeros » Nov 24, 2009 11:56 That's actually a lot, almost 1% of damage per spec point.

Glacius	Reply with quote by Glacius » Nov 26, 2009 21:37 My friends... I have tested on both uthgard and pendragon.. and there r many diferences. 1st of all.. base dmg for melee clases like berserker,blademaster armsman etc is lower on uth compared with Pendragon. ALSO! ..using a 4.1 1h weapon and around 180 quic with composite 50 weapon spec i got a 50% style dmg using any taunt styles on pendragon.. same spec on merc..and bersy... on uthgard it was around 47% the style dmg..lower, with composite 65 weapon spec style dmg using taunt was 65% while on uthg abit lower like 60% or so. Base dmg on pendragon is higher with 20% then on uth for the clases i said ..Bm bersy and all the others on the same dmg table. Also .. at same spec, dmg stats(str in my example) at lvl 50 on uthgard WEAPON SKILL is higher with 90 points then on uth,and a few others.. i will make a bug thread about it when i 'll finish with the hybrid melee clases like:skald,champion paladin etc, i want to see how is their base dmg compared to live and style dmg also. Au revoir mon amies

Blue Developer Posts: 15827 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	Reply with quote by Blue » Nov 26, 2009 23:25 You cant expect Uthgard/DOL to be hyper exact in weaponskill calculations. It was made the best effort possible to match as much classes as possible with the current formula. The formula on live seems somewhat complex. Be free to analyze and find it out. I admit that 90 difference are too much. And Glacius could you please write better sentences and make paragraphs? Its hard to read your postings. They will rather be ignored if you write them in such a way. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Glacius	Reply with quote by Glacius » Nov 27, 2009 12:26 Blue wrote:You cant expect Uthgard/DOL to be hyper exact in weaponskill calculations. It was made the best effort possible to match as much classes as possible with the current formula. The formula on live seems somewhat complex. Be free to analyze and find it out. I admit that 90 difference are too much. And Glacius could you please write better sentences and make paragraphs? Its hard to read your postings. They will rather be ignored if you write them in such a way. .... no comment... but..they r understandable for me and i m not englishman..not even 0.0001%... Blue my friend ..but oke.

Tumi Myrmidon Posts: 97 Joined: Aug 21, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Tumi » Nov 27, 2009 12:47 I can't understand them either, but wouldn't have said it that way. <img src="http://opakwertheim.mine.nu/sig.php?chars=Itana;Jasu;Mosa">

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Dec 03, 2009 03:12 Blue wrote: Be free to analyze and find it out. I admit that 90 difference are too much. Have you guys ever spoken with Wyrd (Jay Ambrosini)? He has done extensive testing regarding melee combat and what equations get used etc... http://www.classesofcamelot.com/other/styles/Styles.htm that's a page that breaks down style dmg modifiers using the live equations based on Wyrd's testing.

Blue Developer Posts: 15827 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	Reply with quote by Blue » Dec 03, 2009 04:08 Thank you Force but this information is old and implemented in DOL which is in development since 2003. All public available information was used. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Akip Alerion Knight Posts: 2123 Joined: May 04, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by Akip » Dec 03, 2009 17:25 My friends... I have tested something on both servers Uthgard and Pendragon. There are many diferences. First of all the base damage for melee clases like Berserker, Blademaster, Armsman etc is lower on Uthgard compared to Pendragon. Also, if you are using a 4.1 speed 1h weapon and your char has around 180 quickness with ?composite? 50 specced in a weaponline I got 50% style damage using any taunt styles on Pendragon. With the same specc on a merc or bersy on Uthgard it was around 47% so a lower style damage with ?composite? 65 weaponspec. Styledamage at tauntstyles was 65%, while on Uthgard it is a bit lower like 60% or so. Base dmg on pendragon is higher like 20% compared to uth for the clases i said. For example: Blademaster Berserker and all the others on the same damage table. Also at same spec and damage stats(str in this example) the weaponskill at lvl 50 on uthgard is higher. 90 points higher then on Uthgard And a few other things. I will make a bug thread about it when i 'll finish with the hybrid-melee-clases like: Skald, Champion and Paladin etc. I want to see how their basedamage is in compareison to live and also the styledamage. Au revoir mon amies Smile Be free to analyze and find it out. I admit that 90 difference are too much. god I think I analised the wrong thing ;/ [I'm a little Akip and im happy] I hope I interpreted it halfly ok