Blue wrote:What you basically tell is, that Volley is the only skill that archers can use to kill enemies. Volley was never intended to be that way. It was never that way on live. It was implemented by somebody who didnt care...

Archers were simple bugusing it.

Yes, volley was the only way for archers to kill a target in most situations. The staff were well aware of how Volley worked, so it is offensive to say that we were "bug abusing" or that we didn't deserve the realm points we got from it. It was your (as in Uthgard's) custom volley! Blame yourselves.

The current volley is not live-like, either. This means that you have implemented a custom change to nerf a class. However, you did nothing to compensate for this nerf so now you have a class build that is worthless. It is worthless in sieges because LOS for OF keeps is terrible (volley compensated for this). It is worthless in groups because its DPS is too low. It is worthless solo, again, because its DPS is too low.

I don't know what is a bug and what is a custom feature on this server anymore. I did a test to prove that archer to-hit chance is lower than it should be, and there has been no response, even though missing even one shot can have a huge impact on archer DPS (especially without volley).

Seyha wrote:The current volley is not live-like, either. This means that you have implemented a custom change to nerf a class.

Yes, the current volley still works better than livelike, you can still multi-hit one target.

How the f DPS is too low when archers can do 700+ dmg critshots? This looks wrong to me because on live servers (you ask livelike) players have over 2k hp, even 3k as tanks (ToA bonuses).

Seyha wrote:

Blue wrote:What you basically tell is, that Volley is the only skill that archers can use to kill enemies. Volley was never intended to be that way. It was never that way on live. It was implemented by somebody who didnt care...

Archers were simple bugusing it.

Yes, volley was the only way for archers to kill a target in most situations. The staff were well aware of how Volley worked, so it is offensive to say that we were "bug abusing" or that we didn't deserve the realm points we got from it. It was your (as in Uthgard's) custom volley! Blame yourselves.

The current volley is not live-like, either. This means that you have implemented a custom change to nerf a class. However, you did nothing to compensate for this nerf so now you have a class build that is worthless. It is worthless in sieges because LOS for OF keeps is terrible (volley compensated for this). It is worthless in groups because its DPS is too low. It is worthless solo, again, because its DPS is too low.

I don't know what is a bug and what is a custom feature on this server anymore. I did a test to prove that archer to-hit chance is lower than it should be, and there has been no response, even though missing even one shot can have a huge impact on archer DPS (especially without volley).

You have to understand that volley was not nerfed it was fixed, and how Runis said above, livelike volley ddint had such high chances to hit a single target in a radius like this new volley has..so you should be happy about it, 35% is still alot compared to what archers had on live, just that all the archers were doing nice rps kiling everything like terminators, and now when they dont have their toy anymore they whine and cry like the Apocalypse is about to come, show some skill if u wana play archer ! if not , roll a zerk like me and own everything!:))

so i tried often to volley after this fix i neverhit a single target twice

Dark wrote:so i tried often to volley after this fix i neverhit a single target twice

Thats how it was on live also, rarely u ve hited a single target in gt area 2 times, its a RA meant for larger groups that are in an area.

Runis wrote:

Seyha wrote:The current volley is not live-like, either. This means that you have implemented a custom change to nerf a class.

Yes, the current volley still works better than livelike, you can still multi-hit one target.

How the f DPS is too low when archers can do 700+ dmg critshots? This looks wrong to me because on live servers (you ask livelike) players have over 2k hp, even 3k as tanks (ToA bonuses).

You know what dps means right? damage per second, that means 700 each 4,xx seconds isnt really good.

Runis wrote:

Seyha wrote:The current volley is not live-like, either. This means that you have implemented a custom change to nerf a class.

Yes, the current volley still works better than livelike, you can still multi-hit one target.

How the f DPS is too low when archers can do 700+ dmg critshots? This looks wrong to me because on live servers (you ask livelike) players have over 2k hp, even 3k as tanks (ToA bonuses).

[BEEP] 700+ damage Critshots? Maybe if the Archer is lucky and he hits the very top of his damage cap. And his target isn't running or in combat. And the archer isn't interrupted.

It's so funny that the staff nerfed volley, but are unwilling to fix broken Viper, which is just as imbalanced. 120+ damage per tic, can't be interrupted, can't be blocked/evaded, and no immunity. This looks wrong to me on a server where most players have less than 1400 HP.

Assassins can kill any class in the game with the right RAs. The same can not be said for archers.

Glacius wrote:You have to understand that volley was not nerfed it was fixed and how Runis said above, livelike volley ddint had such high chances to hit a single target in a radius like this new volley has..so you should be happy about it, 35% is still alot compared to what archers had on live, just that all the archers were doing nice rps kiling everything like terminators, and now when they dont have their toy anymore they whine and cry like the Apocalypse is about to come, show some skill if u wana play archer ! if not , roll a zerk like me and own everything!:))

[BEEP] You have no idea what you're talking about. And you of all people accusing others of whining? You should be banned for even using that word, hypocrite.


Be warned. Stop insulting other players.

700 Critshot is easy possible on Assassins if you have a 5.7 bow and high bowspec and dex.

My best shot so far (Hish always gets more damage than others Maybe no capped crush resistance):

I think i had dex4 at this time but I am not 100% sure. That means 325 dex overall. In the end albs one. vanish and 2 friends lol.

Seyha watch your mouth in the 1st place, secondly..learn to play your toon without an I win button. I have put the 3 threads i had to open until this horrible volley was fixed, and in the end it was , makes me laugh when i see all the archers crying because volley is not Op anymore.

Volley is fixed not nerfed, i hope this info will enter trough your thick skull Seyha.

Ronian wrote:700 Critshot is easy possible on Assassins if you have a 5.7 bow and high bowspec and dex

That is very exceptional. Yes, a high bow spec Lurikeen with a 5.7 spd bow and aug dex can hit an unbuffed leather-wearer for 800+ if he gets lucky with the RNG. That is as good as archery damage gets on Uthgard, and you have to completely sacrifice melee to get it. It doesn't matter because that damage is highly situational. You depend on your target meeting all the requirements for a Critshot to begin with. Otherwise your damage is easily managed, especially if the enemy can interrupt you at range (anyone with a DD charge can).

I can camp AMG with camouflage and wait to Critshot an assassin all day. That doesn't mean it will always work, or that I'm good at killing anything else. I have said before that assassins are one of the easiest classes for an archer to kill.

By the way, you said you "think you had aug dex 4 at the time." Does that mean you're still playing with a full bow spec, or did you respec?

Glacius wrote:Seyha watch your mouth in the 1st place, secondly..learn to play your toon without an I win button. I have put the 3 threads i had to open until this horrible volley was fixed, and in the end it was , makes me laugh when i see all the archers crying because volley is not Op anymore.

Volley is fixed not nerfed, i hope this info will enter trough your thick skull Seyha.

Ja, tell me more about I-win buttons, Berserker. Roll a Hunter, I'll help you as much as I can. Take an Archer to RR5, Glacius, and then tell me how I need to learn to play.

Today I respecced to 35 bow. Did hit Hish for 724 damage with critshot. Now we have a comparison

Ronian wrote:Today I respecced to 35 bow. Did hit Hish for 724 damage with critshot. Now we have a comparison

I believe it, but you already know what I think about Rangers I have noticed my damage is high against Hish. He needs better gear and an AF charge if he doesn't have one already.

I'm happy to know Rangers were able to go back to their melee/hybrid builds with no problem after the volley "fix." That's not surprising. We said it would happen.

when my hunter was specced 45+15bow 50bc, i could get critshots up to 900 (with 5.3spd bow). this is a extreme sniper spec with almost no melee though, but even hunter can get high damage bow shots if he really wants to.

i know, i hit a RR6 ns for 890, but i didn't make a screenshot.
btw: critshotting rangers for 320(-350) with the above spec and then getting owned in melee as fast as from any assassin made me respec this char...

If you used crush arrows, youd prob CS for about 400, if that ranger had PD5, other whise that resist is too high to be anything lower then PD5, and you had of used thrust arrows or slash.

And i wish i could pull off a 890 CS, which is a 445 normal shot. Myn are for about 300 normal and 600 CS on assasins, and about 250 normal shot on casters, even if they dont have PD, which i still find strange.

I dont know why people playing scout or hunter anyway? Anyone, who have played daoc since release or in the time of SI knows: scout and hunter sucks seriosly in stealth-war, even when full buffed by bot. And on this server, the scout misses even the buffs! And even if you havent played daoc in this time, you can get this information in about 20 whine threads in the forum.

So, either you like the class and play it, regardless you will be wtfpwned by any melee-ranger and garotte spamming assassin (I have done this with my scout from daoc release for nearly 4 years)... or you want to pwn as much as you can, so you should play a ranger or infiltrator.