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Glacius	by Glacius » Feb 15, 2010 21:32 Eclipsed wrote:@ Glacius Where in the world did you hear that arrows should be blocked an extra 25%. Thats insane, on the current situation on uthgard, even not spec shield classes can easly block like 50% of your shots. Please provide proof... if you can. Ask any GM or good player from live. its known that arrows were bloked alot more then melee hits ....like also the fact that pary cap is 50% and block is 75%

Heli Gryphon Knight Posts: 394 Joined: Dec 07, 2005 01:00	by Heli » Feb 15, 2010 21:38 Block cap should be 80% against 1 enemy, 90% against 2 enemies and 99% against 3 enemies. They lowered it with version 1.95 to 60% against 1 enemy.

Eclipsed Alerion Knight Posts: 1870 Joined: Apr 27, 2007 00:00	by Eclipsed » Feb 15, 2010 22:18 Glacius wrote: Eclipsed wrote:@ Glacius Where in the world did you hear that arrows should be blocked an extra 25%. Thats insane, on the current situation on uthgard, even not spec shield classes can easly block like 50% of your shots. Please provide proof... if you can. Ask any GM or good player from live. its known that arrows were bloked alot more then melee hits ....like also the fact that pary cap is 50% and block is 75% Well if your a dual wielder on classic live, oviously they will block less, and if they straf to avoid there chance to block, that will also cut down blocking. While firing arrows, you cant do that and there is no bonus vs shield with bow. That is why you would noticed more blocking. And that you cant parry arrows so that also doesnt cut down the blocking also.

Glacius	by Glacius » Feb 16, 2010 00:21 Go play on live 2 weeks, u ll see HINT : block cap is 75% and parry cap is 50% while having a loading . maybe indeed they gave new patch ..i duno about that.

Ronian Phoenix Knight Posts: 1556 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 01:00	by Ronian » Feb 16, 2010 02:11 Glacius wrote: Ronian wrote: Neju wrote:Eclipsed - if you think Critshot is so powerful, why are pretty much all archers just using Volley exclusively now? Oh thats right, because volley is bugged and not correct..... no matter how much you protest about your other abilities being UP, volley is not the way it should be and so should be fixed. Because Volley is still bugged (20% damage missing according to Zippity and on the same target I do 300-400 damage with normal shot and 500-600 crit) U talk about volley or Crit shot man? 720 crit shot clean dmg from u Ronia is not that weak to me , i said it before:) ..and yes i m afraid of u litle rangers..when u come in pack of 4+ rarely i have the chance to fight 1..and another 1..2 not to add. Damn, yes i mean Volley. 720 vs Zerker was good damage. Could also be 100 less, as usual. I have 325 dex, high bowspec and the slowest bow in the game. So 700 is an ok damage vs non pd characters (or maybe BoF). But most of the time it is less, except vs assasins)

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	by Force » Feb 16, 2010 02:38 Heli wrote:Block cap should be 80% against 1 enemy, 90% against 2 enemies and 99% against 3 enemies. They lowered it with version 1.95 to 60% against 1 enemy. my understanding of block rate mechanics and number of attackers was that it depended on the size of your shield. With a small shield your block rate would not be modified down against 1 attacker, against more it would. Medium can handle 2 without being modified down, and large 3. Also I remember the cap being 75% not 80%.

Heli Gryphon Knight Posts: 394 Joined: Dec 07, 2005 01:00	by Heli » Feb 16, 2010 23:00 Yes sry. 75% is right. Btw: small shield-> 1 attacker = full bolock chance. 2 attackers = halved block chance. 3 attackers = half of the halved block chance and so on. medium shield-> 1 attacker = full block chance. 2 attackers = full block chance. 3 attackers = halved block chance. 4 attackers = half of the halved block chance. I think you can imagine what happens if you use large shields on your own.

Eclipsed Alerion Knight Posts: 1870 Joined: Apr 27, 2007 00:00	by Eclipsed » Feb 17, 2010 06:13 [21:05:10] Divintium a level 24 Warden of your realm just entered the game! [21:05:11] You auto-face Norseman. [21:05:12] You are no longer hidden! [21:05:13] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows! <===== Volley Start (3.5 sec Delay) [21:05:13] You prepare to fire. (3s to fire) [21:05:14] You auto-face Norseman. [21:05:16] You auto-face Norseman. [21:05:17] You are ready to fire! <======= Ready to start volley [21:05:18] Your shot arcs into the sky! [21:05:18] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows! [21:05:18] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire) [21:05:18] You shot Divinarchangel with your bright duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 203 (-38) damage! <======== First Volley Hit [21:05:18] You hit Divinarchangel for 22 extra damage! [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:18] You are ready to fire! [21:05:19] Your shot arcs into the sky! [21:05:19] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows! [21:05:19] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire) [21:05:19] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:19] You shot Divinarchangel with your bright duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 247 (-47) damage! <======== Second Volley Hit [21:05:19] You hit Divinarchangel for 26 extra damage! [21:05:19] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:19] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:19] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:19] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:20] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:20] You are ready to fire! [21:05:20] Your shot arcs into the sky! [21:05:20] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows! [21:05:20] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire) [21:05:20] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:20] You shot Divinarchangel with your bright duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 233 (-44) damage! <========== Third Volley Hit [21:05:20] You hit Divinarchangel for 20 extra damage! [21:05:20] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:20] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:20] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:21] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky. [21:05:21] You are ready to fire! [21:05:21] Your shot arcs into the sky! [21:05:21] All arrows fired. [21:05:21] You prepare your shot (3.5s to fire, target is in range) [21:05:21] You miss! <========= Finaly Volley Shot and Miss [21:05:21] Your shot sails clear of all targets! 3.5 / 4 sec Draw Time to ready volley and Fire first shot 1s for second shot to hit 1s for third shot to hit 1s for fourth shot to miss Total Volley time 6.5 - 7sec attack time for volley 2. (4 arrow) I also like the first message in the chat log " [21:05:10] Divintium a level 24 Warden of your realm just entered the game! " Hopefuly this person isnt the same person from mid im attacking at the same time. Not like someone would dual log an alt to spy on what lvl 50 hibs are in DF lol. But could be an actual player in hib, just someone with simular name, some what.

Neju Eagle Knight Posts: 893 Joined: Sep 11, 2009 00:00	by Neju » Feb 17, 2010 10:54 Divintium and Divinarchangel must be the same person... they share 5 letters in their chracters name, doesn't matter that its a common 5 letters - eclipsed ftw! could the 1sec delay be either affected by dex or something with the higher versions of Volley? I was shot yesterday by Tzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whilst having a fight near amg and recieved 3 shots in nowhere near 3 Mississippi's!

Glacius	by Glacius » Feb 17, 2010 12:02 Divinarchangel warior doesnt play hib, only mid. and he is 50+18 shield moblock3 and u hited him 3 out of 4..cause 1 missed, impresive i d say ..no block. PS The way ur last shot missed , in a livelike volley should perform aswell for the others..except 1 hiting..max 2 in a good case . Eclipsed wrote: Glacius wrote: Eclipsed wrote:@ Glacius Where in the world did you hear that arrows should be blocked an extra 25%. Thats insane, on the current situation on uthgard, even not spec shield classes can easly block like 50% of your shots. Please provide proof... if you can. Ask any GM or good player from live. its known that arrows were bloked alot more then melee hits ....like also the fact that pary cap is 50% and block is 75% Well if your a dual wielder on classic live, oviously they will block less, and if they straf to avoid there chance to block, that will also cut down blocking. While firing arrows, you cant do that and there is no bonus vs shield with bow. That is why you would noticed more blocking. And that you cant parry arrows so that also doesnt cut down the blocking also. An arrow will always be easier to block with shield even in real life force, i m telling you how it was on live, and what ppl used to know.

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	by Force » Feb 17, 2010 14:06 Neju wrote:Divintium and Divinarchangel must be the same person... they share 5 letters in their chracters name, doesn't matter that its a common 5 letters - eclipsed ftw! could the 1sec delay be either affected by dex or something with the higher versions of Volley? I was shot yesterday by Tzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whilst having a fight near amg and recieved 3 shots in nowhere near 3 Mississippi's! there is some sort of bug, either lag or something else which causes volley to land its first X arrows all at the same time. I was hit by 4 arrows all at the exact same time the other day, the moment I took damage I hit sprint, and sure enough, 4 arrows one after another directly followed by the sprint message. The damage total was over 1300 btw. No one takes more than a second to hit a key their finger is already over. Certainly no one takes 3-4 seconds. Volley is seriously broken atm, its current implementation doesn't seem to be livelike, and even that isn't functioning properly =/

Eclipsed Alerion Knight Posts: 1870 Joined: Apr 27, 2007 00:00	by Eclipsed » Feb 17, 2010 14:58 Well it must of been server lag or something because i know its not instant, but if your not paying attation or suddent lag, will make it seem like its instent. And about that player, i was just pointing it out, i thought it was funny. That a mid was in DF, went in the corner of the DF merchants area and suddenly a hib with a simular name logs in. Im sure it was another player. :p And when i volleyed him, he wasnt facing me, he was afk for a sec hiding in a corner. Gave me a chance to unstealth ready volley and quickly get it off before he noticed what was going on, which is what happened. After that kiting, he did get planty of blocks in. Then he blew his rr5 and ran for the exit lol.

Glacius	by Glacius » Feb 18, 2010 00:09 Eclipsed wrote:Well it must of been server lag or something because i know its not instant, but if your not paying attation or suddent lag, will make it seem like its instent. And about that player, i was just pointing it out, i thought it was funny. That a mid was in DF, went in the corner of the DF merchants area and suddenly a hib with a simular name logs in. Im sure it was another player. :p And when i volleyed him, he wasnt facing me, he was afk for a sec hiding in a corner. Gave me a chance to unstealth ready volley and quickly get it off before he noticed what was going on, which is what happened. After that kiting, he did get planty of blocks in. Then he blew his rr5 and ran for the exit lol. hehe..yeah..i schooled him well .. u are right Force, sometimes i got hit by 3 arrows in a volley in 1s , you can search for my volley bug reports..but i gave up , anyway i m glad that Blue understood how volley should be.

Eclipsed Alerion Knight Posts: 1870 Joined: Apr 27, 2007 00:00	by Eclipsed » Feb 18, 2010 01:59 more people should run with logging running in game. then peope can actualy provide proof of this 1sec hit by volley lol. More time actualy goes by, its just in game when they panic, time goes by faster.

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	by Force » Feb 18, 2010 03:31 Eclipsed wrote:more people should run with logging running in game. then peope can actualy provide proof of this 1sec hit by volley lol. More time actualy goes by, its just in game when they panic, time goes by faster. do you /really/ believe it takes someone 4+ seconds to hit sprint after taking dmg? No one, not even someone on their first trip to emain would take that much time to react.