The reason many use volley over critshot is the huge number of requirements to pull off a critshot and on top of that, the bug with critshot calculations , not giving the full 2x dmg, of what i suspect is the same level penality seen on purga.

@ Healowner

lol , Most of my kills are from solos or at least doing the greatest amout of damage to my target. That is why i have currently 1,093 kills at R5L0, while other rangers at 1,090s are at rr3 - low rr4, those at rr5+ are at like 1300-1500 kills. That is because yes alot do add and less soloing. I do not, i cant take on my enemys and if i do leech, youl bet its going to be for the majority of the damage on that target. I dont waste my time by adding a last hit or something like that. Even compared to assasins my kills to rr is better or equal, and an assasin is much easyer to solo with. Now i know getting alot of solos dont make you a good player, but im just showing, i dont sit around and leech anything that moves. I will though help my realm mates when they need it, i believe this is RvR, and i play one realm so you can believe i will assist someone if they need it.

And the picture was just a little joke tword all those who are now suddently so scared of us little rangers.

Ronian wrote:

Neju wrote:Eclipsed - if you think Critshot is so powerful, why are pretty much all archers just using Volley exclusively now?

Oh thats right, because volley is bugged and not correct.....

no matter how much you protest about your other abilities being UP, volley is not the way it should be and so should be fixed.

Because Volley is still bugged (20% damage missing according to Zippity and on the same target I do 300-400 damage with normal shot and 500-600 crit)

U talk about volley or Crit shot man?

720 crit shot clean dmg from u Ronia is not that weak to me , i said it before:) ..and yes i m afraid of u litle rangers..when u come in pack of 4+ rarely i have the chance to fight 1..and another 1..2 not to add.

To use critshot

-Enemy can not be moving
-Enemy can not be in combat
-Have to select currect arrow type for best results

All that just to do decent dmg vs low armor classes, while higher armor classes with alot more HP , barly feel the dmg of a critshot. And not only does it not do the currect 2x dmg, the chance of it actualy hitting a target not in combat and not moving and in range, and not facing you with a shield.

That is why people are using volley, alot less requirements and if your full bow , the 6 arrows , if they happen to all hit vs a high armor class with alot of HP, actualy gives you a chance to kill with your bow, since full bow = no melee. Now if critshot worked vs moving targets it would be diffrent because that can be achived more reasonably.

Eclipsed wrote:To use critshot

-Enemy can not be moving
-Enemy can not be in combat
..
.

not fully right, you can use critshot on slow moving enemies, like strafers or stealthed.
with the second one im not sure, too, have to test it.

MT-Pear wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:To use critshot

-Enemy can not be moving
-Enemy can not be in combat
..
.

not fully right, you can use critshot on slow moving enemies, like strafers or stealthed.
with the second one im not sure, too, have to test it.

Well ya , you can critshot someone that is climbing, strafing, or walking backward. But since there is no ladders in OF, and strafing or walking backward normaly would happen during a fight , which they would be in combat and wouldnt be able to be critshoted. And i know for a fact on uthgard you can not shoot someone in combat. Like standing still fighting a realm mate, you cant critshot him. Will just do normal dmg.

Healowner wrote:Very nice off-topic there, typical for a troll.

Anyway, volley is broken so it'll be fixed. Get used to riskier leeching. :]

Only one trolling is you. Just tring to be smug and start trouble. You think you safe once they nerf it?

Neju wrote:no matter how much you protest about your other abilities being UP, volley is not the way it should be and so should be fixed.

Except that we will never have 100% correct information as to how volley should really work, so we will be trading one incorrect custom ability for another.

No offense to Eclipsed or Silverleaf, but if you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation please stay out of it.

MT-Pear wrote:with the second one im not sure, too, have to test it.

You can not use Crit Shot against a target that is in melee combat.

I use Crit Shot quite often, especially in group fights. The problem is that defense rates on Uthgard are too high (this has been proven from multiple sources), so the only way to do enough damage to most classes to win is to hammer them with volley. This is a balance problem on Uthgard. Volley is the only way for archers to over-come this problem in most situations.

Even a Friar can pull out a shield and block half my shots. Yes, that happens often, and what the hell is an archer supposed to do about that? Sorry, but if you're playing a class with a shield (most classes can equip one), and you die to a volley then you are really unlucky. >60% chance to block, and a 15% chance for the archer to miss. That's 75% damage mitigation.

Silverleaf wrote:

Healowner wrote:Very nice off-topic there, typical for a troll.

Anyway, volley is broken so it'll be fixed. Get used to riskier leeching. :]

Only one trolling is you. Just tring to be smug and start trouble. You think you safe once they nerf it?

Fix, not nerf. And if you don't stay on topic here I'll have to ask you to stay out of this thread and not go on with your useless comments.

Healowner wrote:

Silverleaf wrote:

Healowner wrote:Very nice off-topic there, typical for a troll.

Anyway, volley is broken so it'll be fixed. Get used to riskier leeching. :]

Only one trolling is you. Just tring to be smug and start trouble. You think you safe once they nerf it?

Fix, not nerf. And if you don't stay on topic here I'll have to ask you to stay out of this thread and not go on with your useless comments.

So what are you now a admin or something lol. I think there is some kinda rule about that.

Now on topic. Most of the volley issues happened at like amg with other archers in the area assisting on one enemy. In any situation that enemy would have little chance, even to normal shots. And most of these are rare occastions, happens a few times and normaly to a class with low armor, no shield or low HP. I have not ran into many issues vs volley on me, even though i have ran into many scouts and hunters that tryed, but best thing about being a archer is i know how these tools are used and how to over come them. And if i die to it, well i made a mistake somewhere. If i fight a scout with out purge, i know a slam is coming and ether volley or critshot will become a death sentence. Or if im fighting someone and a scout or hunter add, i know that if i let him volley me as i see him getting ready to start volley in the distance im going to die, same goes for if i let him fire at me , while im fighting someone else.

As Seyha said, they will be trading one unsure volley for another one that will be custom and its purpose is to be much weaker and most likely not useable. That is why we are defending it. If anything, maybe some kinda minor balance changes to the current would do. Heck even changing the delay time of each extra shot from 1s to 1.5 would boost the total volley 4 time from 8-9 seconds to 10.5 - 11.5 seconds. How much time do you need to know, hey do something, intrupt, run, face with shield. Maybe volley should broadcast when you ready it, and it will yell out to all " VOLLEY VOLLEY , Dont be dum and react, open your eyes and do something " But even then i bet there would be still people that do the same thing, like get hit by it, run forward, then turn around to retreat, to retreat back into the GT range. Ive seen that happen many times, its very comical.

Seyha wrote:No offense to Eclipsed or Silverleaf, but if you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation please stay out of it.

By constructive do you mean that i should start suggesting ways to nerf one of my abilities to please the masses? Hell no. Do you think anything you suggest even matters anyways? Are they going to listen to an Archer who has ideas to alter thier own abilities? Do they ever listen to Archer period on here? If you know anything about whats been going on around here regarding Archery since March 2009 then you know whats comming, no matter how constructive you want to be.

I can list a counter to any argument anyone wants to raise regarding volley, most notably - its been on here for what? Years? And only now everyone is moaning.... due to the overabundance of archers ... due to the forum whines and ingame whines... case closed, its nothing more.

I dont see anything but inexperienced kids comming on here and hollering that its overpowered and posting bogus screenshots and spreading false information, making up wild stories ect...

Eclipsed wrote:

Healowner wrote:

Silverleaf wrote:

Healowner wrote:Very nice off-topic there, typical for a troll.

Anyway, volley is broken so it'll be fixed. Get used to riskier leeching. :]

Only one trolling is you. Just tring to be smug and start trouble. You think you safe once they nerf it?

Fix, not nerf. And if you don't stay on topic here I'll have to ask you to stay out of this thread and not go on with your useless comments.

So what are you now a admin or something lol. I think there is some kinda rule about that.

No. It's common sense to not spam a thread just because you don't like it, further more, I think there are rules against that. While asking someone to stop spamming isn't against any rule from what I know. A mod can handle this at any point I would say.

Geez. What right do you have to tell me, i cant comment in this thread. Plus how much have you really done in this thread but the normal, fix not a bug. or some few works , no explainations, nothing. Just a simple fix it, based on the little we know about how volley works, you just want them to fix it. Well explain how it should work then. Or do you think they can just copy and paste a fix. It doesnt work like that.

They have two options, ether do more research into how classic volley worked and still most likly it will not be compeltly currect, and if anything it will prob be useless to use. So all the research and work to implement a tool that has little use, was a waste of time. Or they can take the current volley and do what they think will fix the current situations, they consider OP, and i mean OP, not just some kid that doesnt know how to play the game and intrupt someone.

As a archer i have more right to be posting in here then you, as i really dont think you play an archer or at least not as your main char. But yet im not going to tell you, get out , just because your posting useless comments.

But at this point i dont think agrueing and talking about this anymore is really going to matter, im sure Blue and other from the staff have alrdy decided on what they want to do, good or bad for archers, we will see. None the less, a few respecs for some and youl just have more PD5 and grped archers out anyway.

Blue wrote:You misunderstood me and others completely. I meant that the chance that a player in the GT area is attacked should never be 100%. I know that volley shots can be missed or blocked. Somebody tested that before.

The point is that a volley shot should hit a certain point in the area and if there are no players at that point the shot should not *attack* anybody. Currently its enough that a player is in the volley area to get attacked *everytime* if that player is the only one there.

To make it even more clear, if you see a chat message that you missed player XY, that player was selected to be the target for the shot. If that player is the only one in the area, that player will be selected as target over and over with 100% chance in the current implementation. My proposal is that single players in the area dont get selected as target 100% of the time. Moreover the area should be divided in sections.

If a player has no block available then the only thing he gets to prevent to be hit is 15% miss chance. And really 6 attacks with 15% miss chance is nearly a hit on every shot. Take a caster as possible target and you understand that you nearly land all shots on him.

Blue explained v well how its going to be . And to add something up, VS arrows block should increase with 25% or so , i dont even know if its set that way here.

@ Glacius

Where in the world did you hear that arrows should be blocked an extra 25%. Thats insane, on the current situation on uthgard, even not spec shield classes can easly block like 50% of your shots. Please provide proof... if you can.

Glacius wrote:Blue explained v well how its going to be . And to add something up, VS arrows block should increase with 25% or so , i dont even know if its set that way here.

I don't know what the percentage is, but shields must be receiving this bonus.

If volley is changed, then this bonus should be removed.