Blue wrote:Because I tested it on live and compared it to Uth. Quite large differences. You do PA cap damage all the time on Uth. You do not on live. Its just reduced by resistances and your stats dont even matter on Uth in the whole calculation.

Blue is this test done on a live classic server before TOA or Cat before the adding of other classes like the vamp etc? I "feel" (which is not valid since I have done not tests) that PA damage is kinda close to where it was before TOA on live when I played. Bow damage now is gimped here on Uth then Live, that is true. But PA feels about right.

Alpha Adept wrote:
Bow damage now is gimped here on Uth then Live, that is true. But PA feels about right.

I would hardly called it gimped, with 30+17 bow i constantly crit stealthers for 700+ so dmg is fine, its just the other archery issues that made me mad and respec back to melee.

may be bow dmg for that low spec 30+ or 35+ is to high make a life test

Blue wrote:

Jonah wrote:Cant understand why u think its higher damage here then on live

Because I tested it on live and compared it to Uth. Quite large differences. You do PA cap damage all the time on Uth. You do not on live. Its just reduced by resistances and your stats dont even matter on Uth in the whole calculation.

Ahh its the low cap compared to live that makes it like this. Checked my NS and should be around 750 ish cap, then add vulnurbility ans resist so a PA do between 500-600 dmg everytime depending on armor type. Can be less if counting PD. This is why I hit casters lower then tanks.

Better to make it like live, having higher caps but count AF, stats ect, then u will hit casters harder and hardly touch tanks, like it was indeended from the beginning.

Just lowering the PA damage will just make all assains respec to full weapon so no good solution.

Today i paed one cabalis and i did 622+192 damage with 1 hand weapon. I think the damage is ok. I have 32+18 in cs.
My question is: its normal that there arent variance in damage? I hit for 625 chain, studed, plate and cloth. I only see variance in resist. Its ever 625 (-225 or 125...).

Off topic

Most players turn to a melee rangers because bow is gimped. Bow is based off the 2hd weapon damage table not a bow damage table. Bow does more damage on a Live classic server then on Uthgard. Eclipse has done the testing on that. On live if you did 50 points on bow spec you did huge damage, on Uthgard its low damage at 35 points and the same low damage or a little bit higher at 50, and makes no difference if you put in 15 more point into the skill.

If you spec 35 points into regrowth or void spec as a example should it give you the same or a "little" more damage table or buff table as 50? I think not. There has to be a incentive for putting any skill to 50, and when it comes to archers, there is none.

On topic

For a tank to get hit hard for 3/4 of his/her health, during a PA its because of naked damage due to intercept or they are sitting.

In fact, i don't produce that much huge PA.
The only 1000+ come from crit on bonus target (i'm pierce so on scale) and tbh that doesn't come that often.

There's also a kind of variance, maybe no that big, but there's one, on same target i can PA from 500 to 650... ^^

Ur r sure hitting a caster with PA 1hand dmg should be 600+ dmg? With 2h u d almost one hit a caster

Alpha Adept wrote:
For a tank to get hit hard for 3/4 of his/her health, during a PA its because of naked damage due to intercept or they are sitting.

No its becasue a SB can use 2H weapon with slow speed getting a huge PA cap, as Blue mentioned PA make cap damage everytime. I dont know exactly PA cap on a 5.7 sword but i a good guess would be around 900. So u will hit a Shar in scale for (900*1.1)*0.74=732 everytime. Add a nice crit on that and yeah good bye tank. QQ

Can anyone check the exact cap for a 2h SB, would be interesting.

I do arround 850 damage with 2hand axe crafted.

Jonah wrote:

Alpha Adept wrote:
For a tank to get hit hard for 3/4 of his/her health, during a PA its because of naked damage due to intercept or they are sitting.

No its becasue a SB can use 2H weapon with slow speed getting a huge PA cap, as Blue mentioned PA make cap damage everytime. I dont know exactly PA cap on a 5.7 sword but i a good guess would be around 900. So u will hit a Shar in scale for (900*1.1)*0.74=732 everytime. Add a nice crit on that and yeah good bye tank. QQ

Can anyone check the exact cap for a 2h SB, would be interesting.

Well unless SB are killing there own realm mates I find this hard to believe.

He is sitting or intercepting and getting naked damage table.

Beanie wrote:My warrior was perfed for 1250 damage once, 3/4ths of my life gone in one button press as a heavy tank. That's neither right, nor fun. Granted, that was with a good crit, but it is still something that shouldn't be possible with the server set up the way it is.

If a person gets PAed for more than 550 damage on uthgard they should reevaluate their template.

Alpha Adept wrote:
Well unless SB are killing there own realm mates I find this hard to believe.

Beanie wrote:My warrior was perfed for 1250 damage once, 3/4ths of my life gone in one button press as a heavy tank. That's neither right, nor fun. Granted, that was with a good crit, but it is still something that shouldn't be possible with the server set up the way it is.

I found this hard to believe, slowest thrust/piercer is 3.9 and cant get up to the caps a 2hander has. A high RR with 50+20 in cs might come up to say 800, then its (800*1.1)*0.72 = 633 on a troll warrior add a perfect crit and the total dmg will be 950. This is the theoretically the highest damage a infil/Ns can do on a Troll warrior. Still like to see those SS of the ultra PA´s of doom.

Lemonjelly wrote:If a person gets PAed for more than 550 damage on uthgard they should reevaluate their template.

Read the whole thread before answer stupidly. Only resists, armor tables and PD effects damage on PA on uthgard and it hits with close to cap or at cap every time.

Jonah wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:If a person gets PAed for more than 550 damage on uthgard they should reevaluate their template.

Read the whole thread before answer stupidly. Only resists, armor tables and PD effects damage on PA on uthgard and it hits with close to cap or at cap every time.

Herp derp I was replying to the noobs who said they get PAed for 1000+, I have a shadowblade and I'm well aware of both uthgard's PA damage calculation and how PA preforms here. Try to comprehend my post before answering stupidly.