Ill give you that thanes seem to be good here. but 60s pots are a far cry from being what they are on live servers. on live you can run around on pots and be competetie with buffbotted players without a huge amount of effort. here I dont see how you can maintain stat buffs effectively with 60s timers.

for soloing thanes are actually very good if you know how to spec

@Netchel
Yup, Thanes and Wardens are (too) good here because their damage is higher then normal. As for pots (and charges), you might be surprised but a large number of players, me included, is now against them and wants them either removed or severely limited. The 60s timer is indeed troublesome but the current situation dictates that you *have* to have at least 4+ pots/charges up to even compete.

Nymeros wrote:[...]you might be surprised but a large number of players, me included[...]

Wrong. Making an assumption over the small part of the forum population to argue for a larger part ain't the way to go. And i also know a large part that want to continue to use it.
And as i stated already plenty of time, maintening all those charges and potions is far to be cheap and is far to be near of a buffbot.

That said and to get back on topic, i would say that any the realm assassins (those using poison) have their pro and con and can compete. And there is good and bad opponent in each realm.

Concerning the archers, and seeing this in the active level 50 pool, there is way much ranger than scout/hunter gathered, and a favor over scout (slam and PA?). Where hunter are just hieratic (i have not more than 2 or 3 names on top of the head compared to countless rangers).

Have fun,
Pirith.

The numbers of ranger compared to Hunter/scout is mostly due to archery dmg and ranger real efficiency at melee.

Fix archery dmg and you'll have more hunter/scout that's all.


And to stay on topic, for me Inf is the best now and with OF till you play it well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that archery damage is and has been ok for quite some time now.

Pirith wrote:Wrong. Making an assumption over the small part of the forum population to argue for a larger part ain't the way to go. And i also know a large part that want to continue to use it.
And as i stated already plenty of time, maintening all those charges and potions is far to be cheap and is far to be near of a buffbot.

Right. The only way to judge the community in general is the forum population, not to mention that I never implied we are in the majority. Your "large part" is free to come to the forums and express their opinion for everyone to see, just as my large part has done. And justifying something by it not being as cheap and/or as powerful as a buffbot is simply illogical - to say the least.

Bow damage seems more than correct those day, and any bow specced archer (somehow odd to say that) that know to choose the correct target, and/or with the correct RAs can perform pretty well, in my opinion.

Concerning the off-topic statement you started 2 posts ago, even if we can consider it somehow related to stealther in general, and reading your last hmm argument? i will tell you this.
Actually by saying a "large part" as you did, and seeing the general sense of the sentence, you clearly imply that it's a majority.

And forum as stated many time is not even close to represent the whole Uthgard community.

Now, my argument that the price and time involved to provide all the charges and pots to run competitively a solo char is for me far to be as illogical as you tend to tell it.
All i can see is that the discussion will lead nowhere since you think you are the only to see the right way, to say the last.

Have fun,
Pirith.

First of all, I didn't start anything, my post was a reply to an (in my opinion) inaccurate assessment on the impact pots have on the game at the present time. And even if you for some reason thought that I implied something other than what I wrote (which is a pretty big assumption on your part), my last post should have cleared it up for you (hint: the "I do not claim to be in the majority" part).

As for the forums not representing the whole community: since the forum polls were used several times to justify server-wide changes and so are a good enough measure of general player opinion for the staff, they're also good enough for me, it's as simple as that.

And finally, your argument is illogical simply because you draw subjective affirmative conclusions from comparing one thing to something which isn't permitted at all on Uthgard. How something here compares to buffbots is totally beside the point, just like how something compares to ToA or patch 1.99. Simply put, it's the verbal equivalent of dividing by zero. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm automatically right or that pots/charges are evil and unnecessary.

the 2H-damage those who has to spec 2H like champ, hero, paladin, armsman AND ALL Bow/x-bow user (longbow, shortbow, crossbow is counted as 2H weapon) in overall is too low for about 15%

like it or not..but thats a fact that is already confirmed by tests and staff.

Musikus wrote:like it or not..but thats a fact that is already confirmed by tests and staff.

Ye, that has been proven WRONG instead of right.

If damage is too low, then ALL melee damage is and not just 2h damage.

nope..

http://www.uthgard-server.net/modules.p ... ic&t=15313

have fun reading

i had fun reading it...all i saw is that you are unfriendly and bring no arguments..

have i missed something else..i doubt.

you obviously haven´t read all of it

i´d be more friendly if you were less wrong

Artefact wrote:Fix archery dmg and you'll have more hunter/scout that's all.

ROFL.

With bow damage fixed, ranger still the best archer. Nothing will change.