Eclipsed wrote:But it all depends, most would prob just want volley to disappear, taking away another tool for archery.

Blue wrote:Best thing will be to provide a Volley implementation by myself. Volley shots should be normal shots at higher rate which dont hit 100% if a target is in groundtarget area. I don't like the current implementation at all.

Runis wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:But it all depends, most would prob just want volley to disappear, taking away another tool for archery.

Another block of text by eclipsed. If volley is wrongly implementated, it should be fixed. Simple as that

Eclipsed wrote:The main issue people are crying about is the solo capablities of uthgards volley. While volley's use vs a grp is useless, since if there is 4 enemys in the GT, youl prob hit each one once or twice and a healer will fix that with spread heals, which makes the current volley useless for defending, which was its origenal intent. And of what ive seen some way on live , that it was deadly vs grps when they sieged. They would all go running, while i dont see how that is possible with are volley. Best you can do with volley during a siege is focus the volley on a single target , and if other get hit, they will heal in time and your volley will do nothing. So after what i read on some things about volley, here is an idea to keep volley useful, well at least for keep defense / vs grps. This is just an idea, based on on somethings i read and what would make volley still useful after the solo volley nerf.

First make the base miss rate for volley 100% with no enemys in GT, then 25-30% chance to hit for each enemy in the GT range. Meaning 1 = 25-30%, 2 = 50-60%, 3 = 75-90% and 4 or more = 90-90% capped. Basic defense still play a role like blocking. Now such a system will really suck with firing 1 arrow at a time, because firing at a grp with one arrow at a time, would mean nothing because most grps of 3-4 normaly have some kinda healer. So each " turn " where before it was 1 arrow, it should be like 4-5 arrows per turn. So with volley 1 would fire like 4 arrow, 4 arrows, 4 arrows = 12 total. Now that would sound OP but vs a solo enemy each arrow only has a chance to hit of like 25-30% which non may even hit, if the enemy even stays in the GT. If there is two enemys it would make the arrows have a 50-60% chance to hit, which even then only a few till hit and that is between the two of them and if both stay in GT range, and vs 3 enemys it would have 75-90% and would start hitting better, but blocking still counts and if they scater, you cant fallow your GT on all 3 of them and keep that higher hit chance, making it only useful on none moving enemys. Higher lvls of volley will increase the number of fire turns as it does alrdy. So with volley 4 = 6 turn , and 4-5 arrows per turn = 24 or 30 arrows into a grp. That being used on a grp during a raid would give them a reason to scater and making a healer use up much more mana, then how the current volley works. The system would work like this PER turn, which the turns are like with volley 1 has 3 turns, volley 2 = 4 turns, volley 3 = 5 turns volley 4 = 6 turns.

Ranger with Volley 1 = 3 fire turns , 4 arrows per turn fired

3 enemys are standing still, ranger finds a safe place and readys volley under them, he presses fire ( Volley checks and see 3 enemy = 75-90% chance to hit with each arrow on first fire turn of 4 arrows, arrows are fired into the air each of the 4 arrows are determined by the 25-10% miss chance , then block checks are done for each shot ) Of the 4 arrows fired into the air, 1 of 4 miss , alb1 gets hit twice, alb3 get hit once. Ranger waits 1s to fire next volley turn ( Volley checks and see 3 enemy = 75-90% chance to hit with each arrow on first fire turn of 4 arrows, arrows are fired into the air each of the 4 arrows are determined by the 25-10% miss chance , then block checks are done for each shot ) Of the 4 fired into the air none miss, alb1 blocks an arrow, alb2 gets hit, alb3 gets hit twice. Ranger waits 1s to fire last volley turn into the air while he watches the 3 albs scatter, alb 1 and 2 go the same way, while the other stands still. ( Volley checks and see 1 enemy in GT radius = 25-30% chance to hit, which is a 75-70% miss chance ) Of the 4 arrows fired into the air 3 of 4 miss and the 4th arrow is blocked by the one alb in the GT.

Just a situation and how it would work. Maybe instead of having each volley level being number of turns, maybe all volley has the same number of turns like 4-5 turns and volley 1 = 3 arrows fired per turn, volley 2 = 4 arrows per turn and so on. What ever would work. But remember because the only real chance to hit something is vs a grp, it would make volley only useful in non solo situations.

But it all depends, most would prob just want volley to disappear, taking away another tool for archery.

Musikus wrote:

Blue wrote:Best thing will be to provide a Volley implementation by myself. Volley shots should be normal shots at higher rate which dont hit 100% if a target is in groundtarget area. I don't like the current implementation at all.

the fat marked sentence is just nonsens...the actual implementation of volley has NOT a 100% hit chance. ask camulos he can comfirm that.
also the chance to block volley is VERY high.
i habe 45 bow+17 and against a solo shield char i have about 60% blocking against me.

Silverleaf wrote:Uthgard volley does not have 100% hit chances but many will tell you it does if only you will listen...

Glacius wrote:Musikus , Volley shots hit all 100% now , the fact that you can block an arrow doesnt matter, u dont count it as a miss . You shouldnt hit a shield class with your bow in the 1st place, thats why they got shield..to block! What Blue said its correct.

[03:27:04] You are no longer hidden!
[03:27:04] Your are no longer camouflaged.
[03:27:04] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows!
[03:27:04] You prepare to fire. (3s to fire)
[03:27:07] You are ready to fire!
[03:27:08] Your shot arcs into the sky!
[03:27:08] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows!
[03:27:08] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire)
[03:27:08] Cognato blocks your attack! <============= ( Shot 1 )
[03:27:08] Your shot sails clear of all targets!
[03:27:08] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:08] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:08] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:08] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:09] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:09] You are ready to fire!
[03:27:09] Your shot arcs into the sky!
[03:27:09] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows!
[03:27:09] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire)
[03:27:09] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:09] Cognato blocks your attack! <============= ( Shot 2 )
[03:27:09] Your shot sails clear of all targets!
[03:27:09] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:09] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:09] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:10] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:10] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:10] You are ready to fire!
[03:27:10] Your shot arcs into the sky!
[03:27:10] You prepare to unleash a volley of arrows!
[03:27:10] You prepare to fire. (1s to fire)
[03:27:10] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:10] You miss! <================== ( Shot 3 )
[03:27:10] Your shot sails clear of all targets!
[03:27:10] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:10] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:11] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:11] You are not ready to shot the arcs in the sky.
[03:27:11] You are ready to fire!
[03:27:11] Your shot arcs into the sky!
[03:27:11] All arrows fired.
[03:27:11] You prepare your shot (3.5s to fire, target is in range)
[03:27:11] You shot Cognato with your bright duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 159 (-34) damage! <=========== ( Shot 4 ) End Volley
[03:27:11] You hit Cognato for 24 extra damage!
[03:27:11] You can't see your target!
[03:27:11] You can't see your target!
[03:27:12] You can't see your target!

Musikus wrote:

Blue wrote:Best thing will be to provide a Volley implementation by myself. Volley shots should be normal shots at higher rate which dont hit 100% if a target is in groundtarget area. I don't like the current implementation at all.

the fat marked sentence is just nonsens...the actual implementation of volley has NOT a 100% hit chance. ask camulos he can comfirm that.
also the chance to block volley is VERY high.

Eclipsed wrote:Im not sure how your going to make volley work so advanced, with arrows hitting sections and stuff when you consider in lag and stuff like that. What if two players are very close to gether, do they both get hit then or just one if that spot is selected. I mean if its cut into like 16 sections, you have a 1/16 chance to hit a single enemy = 6.25% chance to hit that player. If there is 2 = 12.2%, 3 = 18.7%, 10 in the GT range = 62% chance to hit one of them. That would be insanely useless to use volley then.

I think the only way to do is like i discribed, adding a to hit bonus of like 25% or what ever for each enemy in GT radius. But only with my idea of how volley would work. If you greatly reduce volleys chance to hit, even with 50 bow spec and 6 arrow volley, vs a few enemys its useless and vs a full grp or what ever at a keep is still useless. Spreadheals will just heal in 1 or 2 casts, no reason to scater, making volley useless.

If your going to redesign it, consider its actual use of it and if it will be effective or not. If its going to be made to not be useful at all, just disable it and move on to other archer bugs.