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Postby Finalement » Jun 26, 2011 20:05

Another "omg this is bugged" thread with an issue that hasn't been touched since Agramon and now magically appears.

PA dmg is fine

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Postby Force » Jun 26, 2011 23:07

Finalement wrote:PA dmg is fine




That's not what Blue said.

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Postby vangonaj » Jun 26, 2011 23:47

PA damage isnt ok in low levels. Assasins hit for 500 damage with pa in wilton, braemar and emain. And as i know pa miss 2hand bonus. If you compare pa damage with live server, here pa damage is crap.
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Postby Force » Jun 27, 2011 03:32

vangonaj wrote:PA damage isnt ok in low levels. Assasins hit for 500 damage with pa in wilton, braemar and emain. And as i know pa miss 2hand bonus. If you compare pa damage with live server, here pa damage is crap.



Uthgard's patch setting doesn't have the 2H PA bonus.

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Postby Blue » Jun 27, 2011 13:00

vangonaj wrote:If you compare pa damage with live server, here pa damage is crap.

Would you please show PA damage from live servers against same level target with known armor? If you mean "crap" for too high you are right.
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Postby Tankqull » Jun 27, 2011 13:17

Force wrote:
vangonaj wrote:PA damage isnt ok in low levels. Assasins hit for 500 damage with pa in wilton, braemar and emain. And as i know pa miss 2hand bonus. If you compare pa damage with live server, here pa damage is crap.



Uthgard's patch setting doesn't have the 2H PA bonus.


and all other pa dmg increasements that are active on live are not in the uthgard patch setting.

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Postby vangonaj » Jun 27, 2011 13:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkJxtaZRrWI

Look this movie, and tell me if uthgard pa damge is very high. His lowest pa was 1000 damage and highest 1500. I never saw this pa damage in uthgard.

Maybe im wrong but numbers are numbers.
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Postby Finalement » Jun 27, 2011 14:16

Force wrote:
Finalement wrote:PA dmg is fine




That's not what Blue said.


Since my Assassin reached Braemar (was about 3 or 4 years ago) there was no change in PA-dmg.
And there was no QQ about it (not a single one)
And now out of the nowhere it is way too high.
Maybe in Braemar mh, but who has PA with decent stealth in Braemar?

Besides that, my PA dmg was never too high and I don't feel the too high dmg when I solo on my Vale neither...

I don't have numbers, but some here have shown that on live PA dmg is/was even higher...

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Postby Thensya » Jun 27, 2011 14:19

vangonaj wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkJxtaZRrWI

Look this movie, and tell me if uthgard pa damge is very high. His lowest pa was 1000 damage and highest 1500. I never saw this pa damage in uthgard.

Maybe im wrong but numbers are numbers.


Something completly different. Thats after 2h love for Sb's, with Capbuffs and ToA stuff. But you have to mention, that a Caster on live, has 2,5k hp or something so you cant compare that.

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Postby Blue » Jun 27, 2011 15:49

vangonaj wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkJxtaZRrWI

Look this movie, and tell me if uthgard pa damge is very high. His lowest pa was 1000 damage and highest 1500. I never saw this pa damage in uthgard.

Maybe im wrong but numbers are numbers.

Do me the favor and reproduce it on Pendra and tell us how you did it / what your settings were. Any further discussion is senseless.
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Postby vangonaj » Jun 27, 2011 17:13

Only one question. If pa damage is very high, how many damage should do assasins with pa?
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Postby Blue » Jun 27, 2011 18:25

vangonaj wrote:Only one question. If pa damage is very high, how many damage should do assasins with pa?

You can answer that yourself by testing on Pendragon.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby Methusalem » Jun 27, 2011 20:37

my sb with 45 +18 CS do pa dmg between 450 and 550 (fullbuffed/charged) on lvl 50 targets. i wonder why this should be too much ? every bow ranger can open with a 6oo-1ooo CS vs sced lvl 50 targets.
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Postby Tankqull » Jun 27, 2011 22:06

Blue wrote:
vangonaj wrote:Only one question. If pa damage is very high, how many damage should do assasins with pa?

You can answer that yourself by testing on Pendragon.


nope you can´t because of several PA dmg increasements, like style bonus modification by weapon delay or working 2h bonus on the whole PA dmg system etc. wich were implemented with the style updates. actually you are using the formulas of wyrrd wich are what it has been in the 1.6x patch area wich is the aiming of the server. so nothing needed to be changed here.

where some updates are needded is in the dmg formula regading WS and defense penetration compared to weapon skill (its quite funny that a healer is as able to penetrate defesne like a fullbuffed rr10 warrior...)

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Postby Blue » Jun 27, 2011 22:29

Tankqull wrote:
Blue wrote:
vangonaj wrote:Only one question. If pa damage is very high, how many damage should do assasins with pa?

You can answer that yourself by testing on Pendragon.


nope you can´t because of several PA dmg increasements, like style bonus modification by weapon delay or working 2h bonus on the whole PA dmg system etc.

He should just try and tell us the settings.

Uthgard uses the damage CAP since ages and clearly thats too much. Its CAP damage everytime just resists reduce it a bit, armor is ignored.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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