I'm 50 celtic spear hero, 50+13 celtic spear, aug str 2 using spear with speed 5.7. Today I got up to 50 and I was very happy, I also got my SCed armor. All fine. Then I duel lvl 46 valewalker and I lost 2 out of 4 duels, and 1 I won with 1%. He was also SCed. How is that possible? Heroes suck so much? Then I was rvring in emain and I hit cca 200-300 dmg, depends on style and type of armor. Then a thane slams me, healer casts celerity and he hits me for 170 damage!! And you know how fast! He could do 4 or 3 hits while I could do 1! So, in my best case and his worst, he does 3 hits and I do 300 damage, that's 510 damage for him AND he was using crush weapon, scale is resistant to crush. And now imagine there's a bd in grp and gives him 9% abs buff. Damn mids can have celerity just because of pure luck that Uthgard is on 1.80! And because of that there's no need of balancing? Some changes after 1.80 were made because they were NEEDED, for balancing! How can I kill a hybrid in melee?? And how could I kill lvl 50 valewalker?? First day of my lvl 50 hero and it made me think I have picked the worst char I could.

I know hibs/albs will NEVER get celerity, because its after 1.80! SImply, it's after 1.80, they got it later, balance was fair, but noo, it's after 1.80...

its the same for armsman. just play hybrids,they will perform better..even shamans killed me in melee with my scout sometimes,with full shield spec..

Ranius:
1- What was your rr and vw rr?
2- Did the duel start from long range?
3- Did you have a decent spellcraft?

Healer celerity is good of course, and you can't win vs healer+thane in solo. Anyway there is no need of balance from my point of view (mids got most sucking mezz, albs don't waste point for red add dmg and haste, albs got prochealer group buff, hibs got best mezzer, hibs got best charge tank, hibs got eld (very good caster both for caster and tank group))

Heros DON'T suck at all. I have a lv 50 and I'm not so noob. When I was 3l I met a 4l hero and he killed me WITHOUT using slam, all with large weapons. I used slam but couldn't kill him. The reason is simply the one you said: scale is strong vs crush and I'm hybrid so I made sucking dmg on him. He didn't used any ra and he wasn't buffed of course.

Also, I met 1 time a fullbuffed vw desticked from the group and I killed him with my thane (not buffed)

The reasons should be that vw got higher abs and not dmg weakness. With thane I do most of my dmg with DD so I don't care, instead hero does all his dmg in meele. Also, vw got slash dmg, and hero's scale is weak vs slash.

Why is it that the change you mentioned as needed came ~5years after
DAoC was released? Easy story ... Mythic was bored by all the whiney
whines and just gave them what they wanted in order to calm 'em down.

Another thing is against which opponent you fight, as Demiurgo already
tried to point at. Hybrid classes are pretty strong due to the prohibition
of using buffbots. So, a comparison of classes needs a few more things
to look at as to say: "mimimi i do 300dmg and the thane with his 5.7
dragonstorm hits me for 170dmg under celerity!!!111".

-> was he buffed
-> have you been buffed?
-> which style did you use (growth rate; only a few CS styles offer high dmg)

Finally to say, a hero is by far not the worst class to take, but you always
have to consider which opponents you are able to kill and which not. The
strength of Heros can be seen when 3-4Heros in an assist train "spear up"
a victim and just as a last thing to add. Even when mythic introduce cele
to the other realms everyone cried tears, because also introduced was
for example that from now on for example paladins were able to only use
one active aura ... bye bye happy switching
For Hibernia it would truly overpower the Warden class which is already
one of the most powerful classes on Uthgard - just watch at Holzmichel

With regards
Sethor

1-My rr was same or higher
2-He didn't cast
3-I have almost perfect SC (I miss 4hp, and 2 qui)

Don't know why is BM better then merc. Sorc can beat bard too and after all, I'm sure healer will get off that mezz in fight. And what do I get if we have best charge tank? What do I benefit from eld? So he is good and he can pwn and me not?

bm > merc because of the styles, sidechain of merc didnt get to hit bonus and lower growth rate + DT < TW , merc didnt get a decent backchain, just a 0,75 and 0,85 style chain, while bm got a backsnare, the advantage of the merc is the frontstyle.. but bleeding yay free demezz ;p ... + mostly in rvr u use the back/side chain...

@Ranius: Eld=ns, disease, mezz, stun, dd so everything what you need. BM is in advantage cause of almost double dmg (2 hands).
When you duel someone or doing pvp try to pick the fastest spear. You also need to consider the fact that spear is mostly rvr spec. For pvp almost everyone spec LW. Additionally VW is a dmg dealing class on Uthgard but for that it lacks defensive abilities in rvr.

@ Sethor

I was fullbuffed and almost for sure he was too. And I didn't say I do 300 dmg, I sa id in my best case I do 300 dmg, but a hybrid does with same buffs
510. And that's fair?

@ Cespx

I did use fastest spear in duel. And whatever eld is, I helps my realm, but it doesn't really helps me, he has fun because he's strong, and I'm just more ******.

I realized that mids are just easy mode. And that is impossible to change. At least on Uthgard.


EDIT: I dueled a reaver, we were both unbuffed, I hit on him 180-200, he hits on me 200 only with his back proc. ONLY PROC, not weap damage, only proc.

well but when stun was over he couldn't use that proc anymore ^^

that's the problem with hybrids - they are quite situational. Sometimes they can outdamage normal tanks, but tanks are supposed to offer solid dmg under any circumstances

Yeah, when slam ends, he can't proc anymore, but I'm half dead! And when I'm rooted, what can I do? They can simply use their magic. They can rupt on range, I can't. They have all this advantages, and I can't have some noticable advantage in damage?

yeah but with determination 5 + stoicism, which you should have as hero you won't be rooted for that long. Even with det 4 (you can get this with rr3) cc won't be that much of a problem


edit: what I am trying to say is: you can't just look and say, oh I have no spell I suck, sure your class have some negatives, BUT also positives and you that's what you should be looking at

I know and I'm planning to have it, but anyway. Why can a thane be able to deal 510 dmg and I don't even have a slightest chance? He can do it every time he has celerity and that's not so rare. I have 0% chance. Even in duel, he's buffed with selfbuffs, I'm not and that's the reason that he can kill me? So that means he has same damage output +bonus from buffs, and that makes his dmg higher...or what is it?

yeah, he's balacing with having his selfbuffs in mids. when both of you are buffed he should have no chance beating you in melee, if he does something is wrong in the balance

Hah, so hybrids have buffs to kill pure melee classes in melee? Hybrids should NOT be able to! Unless they have advantage in rr/armor or RAs.

1. they are by no means fullbuffed, they (and by they I mean champion, thane and heretic, others hybrids have no statbuff I believe) have str/con buff, after using they should be roughly on the level of unbuffed pure tank.

2. this is the reason why grouping (buffing) pure tank will bring him much more benefit than hybrid (I am talking about melee, hybrids have other things to bring for the group)