Hi there,

A group of old daoc friends and I are wanting to level up on Uthgard. However, life has come in the way and we are all busy people with work/family etc.

Relavant rules as far as I can find are:

§3.8 Logging in two accounts - buffbotting
Logging in two ore more accounts simultaneously is always forbidden. There are no exceptions. This explicitly includes typical buffbots and all kind of dual logins like crafters and mule characters. Any violation against this rule will be punished. The usage of a buffbot will result (besides the punishment for all accounts of the player) in a permanent ban for the buffbot. If a staffmember suspects a player of dual logging, the suspected person(s) have to obey his orders (buffbot detection tests). If a player ignores this, logs out, or out of sudden goes linkdead with one or both characters, it will be considered as an illegal dual login. There are no exceptions.

§3.10 Buffbot like behavior
It is not allowed to login a second char only for a short period of time to give the first char time based buffs and benefits. Such behavior will be handled as buffbots and will face the same penalties. Of course it is not forbidden to switch characters to give a group time based buffs (as long as there is only one char per person logged in at a time).

I understand totally the dual logging is not allowed. So I am not allowed to log in a 2nd account (even if its just stuck and grouped/not contributing)

What I am uncertain of us the policy of one player who perhaps cannot play properly, logging in, sticking and going afk. Separate charachter, separate player just going AFK. Whether this is a shammy who is buffing, or a warrior who would be semi-afk anyway because the group doesn't need him to taunt.

Rule 5.10 seems to suggest that as long as one person = 1 account, then if that 1 person goes afk, thats ok.

Essentially, what happens if our leveling group is having fun, leveling up, but then one player needs to go afk, is he allowed to stick and go afk for an hour or so, or must he then log out. (and as a result, lose xp, fall behind, and impair all of our enjoyment of the server!)
A close reading of both rules seems to suggest as he's a separate player/IP address, this would be ok, but I want to make sure I know where I stand before saying what I think is right.

If an admin could clarify the rule as it relates to a player and their charachter going AFK that would be much appreciated!

Cheers,

Tild

IF say a level 50 buffer class is buffing a lowbie group or a solo for that matter, the buffer along with the lowbie has to be active at all times. they will be checked to see if they are actively played.

Also if your main buffer in your group goes afk for extended period this is also not acceptable. the player has to participate in their leveling experience. And being a afk player for extended period is just another power leveling experience and is applied to a group or a duo/whatever. Extended AFK gaining of experience is not allowed.

If your main buffer does need go afk then start looking for a replacement. Not saying you can never go AFK to go bio or grab a sandwich /drink or whatever. If you go on extended period of time AFK please logout.

And one person for more than one account logged on at same time for any reason is never allowed. For more than one person same ip you must be actively played at all times or risk being tested. to lower that risk log out if go AFK more than 10-15 minutes.

Rajnish wrote:Also if your main buffer in your group goes afk for extended period this is also not acceptable. the player has to participate in their leveling experience. And being a afk player for extended period is just another power leveling experience and is applied to a group or a duo/whatever. Extended AFK gaining of experience is not allowed.

Isn't a druid running buffs doing what he's supposed to do, same goes for bards playing their Songs?
Will I have to run circles just for the sake of participating?
I spent times on my druid buffing new players in the starting regions just to help people having a better experience...

Maybe we're all wrong thinking new players are welcome here?

hmm cant get it, what about ``FungsterINC's buffbot service`` where Blue and Trishin telling its allowed if you not the same person?

Snigel wrote:I spent times on my druid buffing new players in the starting regions just to help people having a better experience...

Maybe we're all wrong thinking new players are welcome here?

Uthgard has custom buff rules. It also has custom rules for what is allowed/not allowed/can get you banned. For example, if you AFK here with your weapon out and a mob attacks you, you are breaking a rule and can be banned on Uthgard.


Basically, if you want 0% chance of being banned, and you are buffing for people, you should be at your keyboard.


What I am curious about though, is what are the rules for 1 person logging in toons with timed buffed, and then relogging back to their main account. Just every 10 minutes give out haste/DA/AE buffs/POM. Is that a violation? I dunno.

Yes, at least I read about it somewhere on the forums.

Force wrote:

Snigel wrote:I spent times on my druid buffing new players in the starting regions just to help people having a better experience...

Maybe we're all wrong thinking new players are welcome here?

Uthgard has custom buff rules. It also has custom rules for what is allowed/not allowed/can get you banned. For example, if you AFK here with your weapon out and a mob attacks you, you are breaking a rule and can be banned on Uthgard.


Basically, if you want 0% chance of being banned, and you are buffing for people, you should be at your keyboard.


What I am curious about though, is what are the rules for 1 person logging in toons with timed buffed, and then relogging back to their main account. Just every 10 minutes give out haste/DA/AE buffs/POM. Is that a violation? I dunno.

Buffbot like behavior is not allowed

§3.10 Buffbot like behavior
It is not allowed to login a second char only for a short period of time to give the first char time based buffs and benefits. Such behavior will be handled as buffbots and will face the same penalties. Of course it is not forbidden to switch characters to give a group time based buffs (as long as there is only one char per person logged in at a time).

Abydos wrote:

Force wrote:

Snigel wrote:I spent times on my druid buffing new players in the starting regions just to help people having a better experience...

Maybe we're all wrong thinking new players are welcome here?

Uthgard has custom buff rules. It also has custom rules for what is allowed/not allowed/can get you banned. For example, if you AFK here with your weapon out and a mob attacks you, you are breaking a rule and can be banned on Uthgard.


Basically, if you want 0% chance of being banned, and you are buffing for people, you should be at your keyboard.


What I am curious about though, is what are the rules for 1 person logging in toons with timed buffed, and then relogging back to their main account. Just every 10 minutes give out haste/DA/AE buffs/POM. Is that a violation? I dunno.

Buffbot like behavior is not allowed

§3.10 Buffbot like behavior
It is not allowed to login a second char only for a short period of time to give the first char time based buffs and benefits. Such behavior will be handled as buffbots and will face the same penalties. Of course it is not forbidden to switch characters to give a group time based buffs (as long as there is only one char per person logged in at a time).

That says that you can do it for others, but not for yourself.

So in my scenario, where I log in another toon to give people other than the toon I will be playing buffs, am I breaking the rules? I think that remains unclear.

Take this example. I log in a theurgist and buff a merc who is low level with DA/Haste. Then I log in a paladin and we duo. Is that bannable for botting?

Fuzzy rules getting even more fuzzy.

ZaiQQ wrote:Fuzzy rules getting even more fuzzy.

fuzzy signatures getting even more fuzzy

Maagman wrote:hmm cant get it, what about ``FungsterINC's buffbot service`` where Blue and Trishin telling its allowed if you not the same person?

He was selling his service as a bb for gold. He is another person, on his own ip, buffing others for a fee.

Force wrote:That says that you can do it for others, but not for yourself.

So in my scenario, where I log in another toon to give people other than the toon I will be playing buffs, am I breaking the rules? I think that remains unclear.

Take this example. I log in a theurgist and buff a merc who is low level with DA/Haste. Then I log in a paladin and we duo. Is that bannable for botting?

If u read it carefully, and maybe more than once, your question was already answered...

"Of course it is not forbidden to switch characters to give a group time based buffs (as long as there is only one char per person logged in at a time)."

If you're providing buffs to someone else and you AFK and the test begins, it will be nearly impossible to prove that you are a real player if you're AFK. Simply put, we have a lot of people who try all sorts of VPN trickery (or neighbor wifi or whatever) to evade detection. Simply having a different IP isn't enough. So the easy rule of thumb is: Be at or near the keyboard.

stag wrote:

Maagman wrote:hmm cant get it, what about ``FungsterINC's buffbot service`` where Blue and Trishin telling its allowed if you not the same person?

He was selling his service as a bb for gold. He is another person, on his own ip, buffing others for a fee.

Force wrote:That says that you can do it for others, but not for yourself.

So in my scenario, where I log in another toon to give people other than the toon I will be playing buffs, am I breaking the rules? I think that remains unclear.

Take this example. I log in a theurgist and buff a merc who is low level with DA/Haste. Then I log in a paladin and we duo. Is that bannable for botting?

If u read it carefully, and maybe more than once, your question was already answered...

"Of course it is not forbidden to switch characters to give a group time based buffs (as long as there is only one char per person logged in at a time)."

It doesn't because a solo player I buff with timers isn't a group, and also abydos says buffbot like behavior (which this might be) is not allowed.

Which is why I presented that scenario. What's wrong with clarification, especially for custom rules?

1 is just a very small group. In any event it is never allowed to duallog. Understood?

Good to know. Timed buffs are ok so long as no dual log. Thanks for clarifying.