Are there diminishing returns here on Uthgard to weapon skill from 300+ (composite) weapon stats?

I'd like to know this as well, a staff response would be nice.

What I've found is this:

Somewhere on the Camelot Herald it says that stats below 200 give you a 0.5% increase per point, above 200 is a 0.25% increase per point, and above 300 is a 0.2% increase per point. These bonuses start when a stat goes above 60, the "average" starting stat.

But it's not from a reliable source, so it would be good to know are there diminishing returns on Uthgard.


P.S. Also, this quote is about *damage*. Does more weaponskill equal more damage on Uth, or is weaponskill only used to calculate the chance to bypass an opponents defense? Or both?

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Weaponskill counters Armorfactor. So it has strong influence on damage.

Weaponskill does not help to get through enemy defenses, at least in tests we never saw this. There is bonus on items for that.

Weaponskill scales with no limitations with weapon stats.

Awesome, thanks for the info.

Blue wrote:Weaponskill counters Armorfactor. So it has strong influence on damage.

Weaponskill does not help to get through enemy defenses, at least in tests we never saw this. There is bonus on items for that.

Weaponskill scales with no limitations with weapon stats.

I have allways tought that WS is needed to bybass enemys defence (block/parry/eveid) . . .

Ati wrote:

Blue wrote:Weaponskill counters Armorfactor. So it has strong influence on damage.

Weaponskill does not help to get through enemy defenses, at least in tests we never saw this. There is bonus on items for that.

Weaponskill scales with no limitations with weapon stats.

I have allways tought that WS is needed to bybass enemys defence (block/parry/eveid) . . .

indeed... first time I hear it doesn't...

Maybe you are just thinking of the weapons specc lvl. Thats what i thought, 15 in a weapon line will make your blows more likely be blocked/parried (but evaded as well?) compared to 50 weapon specc.

on live there is a hidden weaponskill that you won't see on your UI for each weapon line. That weaponskill is applied for defense penetration, for each respective line, and for unstyled swings the base spec line is used (the line used to calculate base dmg). IIRC, specs above your level composite don't have any effect on defense penetration. This also means that for defense penetration the base weapon line is meaningless, so 1+1 sword composite level crit strike would have the same defense penetration as composite level sword composite level crit strike when using crit strike styles. The spec with composite level sword should have better penetration when attacking unstyled.


Aside from the respective weapon spec, the stat modifier for that weapon will increase weaponskill as well when attacking, improving defense penetration.

i thought like that too... for example a pala with 50 shield and 1500 ws and a warrior with 50 shield and 1700 ws ... in that case the warrior gets a bonus to break the shield defensive of the paladin cause of his higher ws..

Thanks for the reply Blue. =)

Weapon Skill (WS)
WS determines the chance that you can by-pass another opponents defenses (evade/parry/block). It is stated by Mythic that weapon skill has nothing to do with hit/miss rates and only relates to harming your opponents chance to evade, parry or block.
WS is affected by:
Your class
Your weapon type
The stats that your weapon is based on
Whether you have a shield equipped or not

source: http://roclar.net/DAoC/info.php

I have always been convinced high WS meant high chance to get trough evade/parry/block

Some old testing done on daoc catacombs: http://daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?Thr ... CMainForum

So this is not implemented on Uthgard? I had always assumed it was. This is a serious problem since defense rates must have been balanced by Mythic against being reduced by Weapon Skill.

What is not implemented? In no test we were able to confirm that Weaponskill has influence on penetrating defenses. No public available defense formula has weapon skill in it.

I still have to see test results which confirm this "theory".

Ok, so what DOES have an influence on penetrating defenses then?

Weapon spec?
Style bonus?
Level checks are removed in RvR, so it's not a matter of level.
Something else?