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Postby Netchel » Feb 16, 2012 20:25

the lack of /nohelp on uthgard should be its own bug report thread or listed in custom changes. imo please dont change it and instead be sure to add it to the custom list.
Why?

1) it is hilarious to troll duelers by chain healing them.

2) the /nohelp command was added to live to support the 1v1 mentality. which is somethign that the uthgard devs have often taken a very strong (banhammer) stance against. in a realm vs realm war situation, the /nohelp command makes no sense.

3) reinforcing this stance is a great way to troll the duelers.

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Postby EnsisFerrum » Feb 16, 2012 22:34

Please stop littering this thread with off-topic.
If you have videos to prove this bug from live-servers feel free to post, else dont.

Thank you

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Postby EnsisFerrum » Feb 27, 2012 15:19

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Postby Jonah » Feb 29, 2012 19:39

Blue wrote:You shouldnt get any xp as you got help from too high players. I know its different on live but I'm quite sure its not intended in the original game design.


Whats intended or not is not for u to decide, only mythic know this and i cant figure out why higher lvl ppl shoudnt be able to support the lower ones. Its like forbid trading between high and low ppl.

No its just an excuse for u to maintain custom changes and dont treat bugs as bugs. This should be live like according to patch level. Its the same thing with this:

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Dark Age of Camelot

Version 1.53 Release Notes

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GROUPING AND EXPERIENCE CHANGE

- We've relaxed the rules that govern the experience clamp that occurs when lower level characters group with higher level characters and the group fights monsters deemed unchallenging to the group's total strength. You should now be able to group with a wider range of players in the group without suffering an experience point penalty.

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This is not on Uthgard as a custom change, i pointed this out to blue several times but he refuse to change it so grouping will be live like.

Its like there is a general principal in all GM´s decisions that xping should be harder then it should be here. The grind here is hard enough and the only thing that stops this server from growing. Its a to tedious job for most new ppl to get "RVR-ready" and when they see how boring it is to level they quit fast. This server needs new ppl and taking away bugs that discourage xping is a good start to make the server grow.

Yes, there are several bugs here that restrains the 1-50 grind in several ways. I dont care what some GM believe is intended by mythic, A BUG IS A BUG.

If u want to make it a custom change at least post it at the custom change sticky thread so ppl know what to expect here.

At the same time i want to thanx the GM´s from doing a nice job on sorting out some of the bugs with xping that we had, the job on the BAF-code for an example. Now there are still alot of bugs left out there so keep up the work with this. Its an important factor so the server always has a stream of new ppl joining.

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Postby Blue » Feb 29, 2012 19:47

Jonah wrote:This is not on Uthgard as a custom change, i pointed this out to blue several times but he refuse to change it so grouping will be live like.

You don't read the forums enough I made several statements for this. I will work on that when I submit mob damage changes. It doesn't belong into this thread, which is about experience LEECH by higher players.

I can tell you that I consider a Mythic feature to be a bug not fixed yet when it feels like "cheating" or circumventing game principles. This one has clearly the smell of it.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

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Postby Jonah » Feb 29, 2012 19:57

Blue wrote:
Jonah wrote:This is not on Uthgard as a custom change, i pointed this out to blue several times but he refuse to change it so grouping will be live like.

You don't read the forums enough I made several statements for this. I will work on that when I submit mob damage changes. It doesn't belong into this thread, which is about experience LEECH by higher players.

I can tell you that I consider a Mythic feature to be a bug not fixed yet when it feels like "cheating" or circumventing game principles. This one has clearly the smell of it.


U dont think mythic would have change this already then in like 10 years of patching :wink:
Mythic always encouraged ppl to help each other, they wanted happy players = more subscribers.

Ok this is a freeshard but still if u discourage ppl enough there wont be any new blood coming = dead server.

Im happy to hear about that u will change the grouping gap bug when u revamp mobs, that will solve 2 major bugs at once :)

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Postby Blue » Feb 29, 2012 20:11

Jonah wrote:U dont think mythic would have change this already then in like 10 years of patching :wink:
Mythic always encouraged ppl to help each other, they wanted happy players = more subscribers.

I'm not 100% sure about that. Else they wouldn't have caps in place like for buffs. You could easily get mega buffs from a level 50 applied to a level 1 which would be like cheating. Not sure whether thats valid for damage adds or regeneration buffs too but it clearly mattered to Mythic.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby Jonah » Feb 29, 2012 20:22

Blue wrote:
Jonah wrote:U dont think mythic would have change this already then in like 10 years of patching :wink:
Mythic always encouraged ppl to help each other, they wanted happy players = more subscribers.

I'm not 100% sure about that. Else they wouldn't have caps in place like for buffs. You could easily get mega buffs from a level 50 applied to a level 1 which would be like cheating. Not sure whether thats valid for damage adds or regeneration buffs too but it clearly mattered to Mythic.


actually at one point DA, hots etc didnt have a cap but mythic changed this, a lvl 1 player with a 50 DA 1-2 shot blue/yellow mobs and xp 1-5 could be done in less then 5 minutes.

They changed it so higher ppl still could help lower ones but with a limit

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Postby EnsisFerrum » Feb 29, 2012 20:35

I ask for my thread to be split and moved to research thread, while discussion part can stay here.

Greetings

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Postby Orihiime » Mar 01, 2012 19:42

Blue wrote:
Jonah wrote:This is not on Uthgard as a custom change, i pointed this out to blue several times but he refuse to change it so grouping will be live like.

You don't read the forums enough I made several statements for this. I will work on that when I submit mob damage changes. It doesn't belong into this thread, which is about experience LEECH by higher players.

I can tell you that I consider a Mythic feature to be a bug not fixed yet when it feels like "cheating" or circumventing game principles. This one has clearly the smell of it.

You write all day long that you want a server CLASSIC LIVELIKE, but all what you do is only the change that YOU want, not for be livelike, but only for it be as BLUELIKE, there is a ton of custom thing, and u keep saying that u want a classic server 1.69, stop answer us that as excuse for all change that you are doing
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Postby Blue » Mar 01, 2012 20:02

I expected this answer. There was no decision yet whether that comes onto the customized stuff list.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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