As title says ..i made an arms on live and this is the dmg i got bufed and unbufed..with a spec apropiate to uthg around rr4 and rr7 . Target is a cleric dresed in MP armours lvl 51 .. thats chain abs 27% , 647 AF
I d like you to compare arms that you have and check if indeed you make lower dmg how ppl say around.



A) Arms 50+14 pole ,WS 1385 ,42+9 crush , str 220 ,quic 119 , using weap pole 16.5 dps, MP ,5.6 spd

Unstyled dmg min: 198 dmg
..................max: 275 dmg results 39% var between min and max

used taunt style "Distract" 258 unstyled+109 styled=367 total dmg => 42.24% added by style ( and 2h bonus perhaps ..)




B) Arms 50+17 pole ,WS 1432 ,42+9 crush , str 220 ,quic 119 , using weap pole 16.5 dps, MP ,5.6 spd

Unstyled dmg min: 203 dmg
..................max: 284 dmg results 39% var between min and max

used taunt style "Distract" 227 unstyled+99 styled=326 total dmg => 43.6% added by style abit more because of the extra +3 pole skill





C)Arms 50+17 pole ,WS 1990 ,42+9 crush , str 220+145=365 ,quic 119+93=212 , using weap pole 16.5 dps, MP ,5.6 spd

Unstyled dmg min: 274 dmg
..................max: 382 dmg results 39% var between min and max

used taunt style "Distract" 362 unstyled+125 styled=487 total dmg => 34.53% aded by style lower because of higher quic
used style "Defender's rage " 297 unstyled +170 styled= 467 total dmg => 57.23 added by style



INFO : styled dmg is not the same with growth style you have for a certain style ..styled dmg is modified by quic ,haste and increase in skill and contains growth fix number of a style.

Logs: http://www.mediafire.com/?avl0zh7hrxh3hpn
Vid with arms in NF : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge3KROq ... re=related

how many hits did u do?

i'll test pole-styles on uth (4L9 sara-thrust-arms with 50pole-42shi-34thr-spec with slow dragon-pole (5.7 speed i think)) as soon as i have time...right now i can't ...

btw: 3 or 4 hits should suffice (if they deliver the same numbers)...style-plus is fix and shouldnt variate

edit: support-forum? well its not a bug-report but "general" would fit better

edit2: i wont test on other player...arms is currently in dartmoor farming named...so i'll test on one of them

btw: could u also give the growth-rates of the styles used? they will be different from uth of course, as we have "old" style-table here, but for comparison-reasons we should still list them...

I ve done as many hits as needed until i got the 39-40 variance between min and max dmg . And no ..4-5 hits are not enough because unstyled dmg can have a variaton from 100% to 139% and you dont find min and max doing 4 hits ..more like 50 hits+ ..style is based on unstyled Jezzmin ..you should read more about style dmg .

About growth rates of the styles used..there is a list ..wyrd "s list i think that is same as ours..taunt style is around 58% and the frontal style is around 1.10 % ..i ll look it up exactly when i ll have time.

About thrust polearms a friend used to say he needs also dext buffs to hit for more dmg and that it raised his WS aswell while using pole..and it shouldnt because polearm is a str based spec .. i forgot to have a look on live about this thing..how is it here on uthg? I had arms on live but pole thrust is the only spec i never had..and if i think well its the most viable one VS mid chain and neutral to all hibs:D .

MotaroReloaded wrote:I ve done as many hits as needed until i got the 39-40 variance between min and max dmg . And no ..4-5 hits are not enough because unstyled dmg can have a variaton from 100% to 139% and you dont find min and max doing 4 hits ..more like 50 hits+ ..style is based on unstyled Jezzmin ..you should read more about style dmg .

i meant style-bonus (the + in brackets) exclusively...and that is a fixed percentage (like 100+34 means 200 gets +68 and stuff)..on uth at least

there's no frontal style btw...def-rage is a "after enemy used style"-style..and its GR is 1.29 which is correct for our patch level

Jezzmin wrote:

MotaroReloaded wrote:I ve done as many hits as needed until i got the 39-40 variance between min and max dmg . And no ..4-5 hits are not enough because unstyled dmg can have a variaton from 100% to 139% and you dont find min and max doing 4 hits ..more like 50 hits+ ..style is based on unstyled Jezzmin ..you should read more about style dmg .

i meant style-bonus (the + in brackets) exclusively...and that is a fixed percentage (like 100+34 means 200 gets +68 and stuff)..on uth at least

there's no frontal style btw...def-rage is a "after enemy used style"-style..and its GR is 1.29 which is correct for our patch level

Jezzmin like i told you in other posts..what are you tryin to teach me..how styled dmg is calculated? I told you to go and read more because if i ask you what is the diference between a style growth and the +style u see when performing a style ..i dont think you d know to explain me.
Defender s range got changed for 2 years if not more on live and its not an after target styles anymore ..it became a frontal style for arms .. and 1.29 its not a certain number for its growth rate.

wtf...why do u feel offended? i just said, that style-bonus (the + in brackets) only needs some few hits to get a value for, as it is fixed....i never said it was 1:1 comparable to GR, even though GR directly affects it ofc...

also i know that styles got changed...just wasnt sure, why you were talking about some front style, when i was talking about testing it with my arms on uth...

dont see some sort of offense in anything thats written..sometimes ppl actually DO mean the things they write

dunno if that helps, but thats what i got for now (cant make any longterm tests for base-dmg as mobs die quite fast and i dont wanna waste time on unstyled hits )

stats:
50+14 pole
34+14 thrust
180 str
180 dex
106 quickness

no buffs used (no haste or stuff either)...

weapon:
fallen soldiers rage
dps: 16.5
speed: 5.9
con at time of hits: 99%
quality: 100
bonus: 35

mobs were named in dm (yellow to orange...all held same +bonus for styles)

style: executioner (after parry), GR: 0.9
bonus: 126
dmg: 312
calculated base d,g: 186
ratio (base/bonus): 0,677419355

was same for any attack i did, so i skip further examples for that style:

style: cripling blow (after parry), GR: 0.55
bonus: 74
dmg: 254
calculated base d,g: 180
ratio (base/bonus): 0,411111

interesting thing is: the ratio between base-dmg and bonus is about 75% of the actual GR...tested for 1h (got more quick and faster weapon there)...the ratio went up to like 80% (0.9 GR style had ~0.72 base-bonus ratio instead of 0.677 for pole styles...)

Tests VS mobs are irelevant, make tests VS a chain player in your realm ..resists dont matter as you can add , but he gota have 102AF MP armours 100% qual /cond , hit UNSTYLED until you get a min and a max dmg (100-139% ) ..that way you know your dmg .
Using styles its enough 1 to find the growth rate of a certain style... not more .. quicnes and haste affect in diferent ways unstyled and +to style dmg.

You got a good tutorial here : http://www.classesofcamelot.com/other/styles/Styles.htm

About thrust polearms a friend used to say he needs also dext buffs to hit for more dmg and that it raised his WS aswell while using pole..and it shouldnt because polearm is a str based spec .. i forgot to have a look on live about this thing..how is it here on uthg? I had arms on live but pole thrust is the only spec i never had..and if i think well its the most viable one VS mid chain and neutral to all hibs:D .[/quote]

your friends said wrong. Pole is 100% str even if you are using a trhust pole. 1 hand thust weapons use half str and half dex.

mcgyver wrote:About thrust polearms a friend used to say he needs also dext buffs to hit for more dmg and that it raised his WS aswell while using pole..and it shouldnt because polearm is a str based spec .. i forgot to have a look on live about this thing..how is it here on uthg? I had arms on live but pole thrust is the only spec i never had..and if i think well its the most viable one VS mid chain and neutral to all hibs:D .

your friends said wrong. Pole is 100% str even if you are using a trhust pole. 1 hand thust weapons use half str and half dex.[/quote]

True , thats how normally it should be. Hmm i wonder if a thrust pole arms makes 500 clean dmg fully bufed VS chain on uthg with best style ..and around 400 with anytimer .. if he does its worth making one.

@Jezzmin

ratio (base/bonus) is not the growth rate.
Style bonus is calculated with GR that's right, but it's not that easy.
It depends on weapon spec, GR, eSPD and the weapon you are using:

Style Bonus = ((Growth Rate * Weapon Spec) * Effective Speed) / unstyled damage cap

Higher weapon spec will increase style damage and faster swing speed decrease damage.