MotaroReloaded wrote:

Rector wrote:Noone was able to proof yet that 2h damage is broken.

Double right for you Rector ,in my opinion melee dmg unstyled works corect on uthg, yet i sustain the styled dmg to be wrong in the code thus beeing slighty lower overall perhaps . And yes because of defense rates not beeing lowered by atacker s WS ofc a 2h er will get blocked more often , that doesnt mean its a problem with the dmg....

I can remember that on live i have 2-3 hitted casters (w.o. bubble) with my 2h sword and template like my armsman has atm, maybe my template here is a bit better But i do with my 2h sword around 1/3 less damage on Uthgard.

If i find time i'll try to make some tests on Pendragon and on Uthgard, butits that what the most ppl anyway tell, and i belive its not just in Albion. On live was possible to onehit casters/leather-wearing chars with a 2h-SB. here on Uthgard not.

Yaya, back then when SBs still had their 2h bonus and when your armsman was accidently played at ToA times (damage was highly increased compared to avergae hps back then) ...

Try it out or don't. But as Rector said people have tried already (on current Live!) and couldn't find something. So your argument "I precisely remember that I 2shotted casters back then".. Well

Maybe it's about growth rates but Uthgard rather seems to set them too high instead of too low (see DW-skills for stealthers).. On the other hand.. Hunter spear GR were too low for a long time so.. maybe?

DO not forget, that on live, many players played in zergs and when they played in zergs they didnt care for debuffs/templates etc... So it wasnt uncommon to meet a player with crap sc and buffs down, so that you really could twoshot him/her easily.

There even were cases when casters were killed by 1 wizard-bolt!

So if you really want to test something, go test the casters bolts on live!

Different bolt-levels from 12 to 46/50, vs same level opponent each 5 levels or so, with different specs at those levels. All the tests beeing vs a naked druid to get max dmg all the time, and an eld ofc.
Why hib? Scale armored cold resi-casting healer vs cold bolt eld.
By the point you reach lvl 50, and finish the specs lvl 38/46 and lvl 50, you put some items with int/dex etc into your eld and check if the dmg varies, same with from the druid.
Then you keep the buffs constant(low possible) and check for different damage vs different armors from cloth to scale on the druid, and with different resist(casted and from items).

When youre finished, check if you get a variance if your spec is higher than your level, and i hope you wont, and post it on forums. This would help wizards getting more usefull

Satz wrote:DO not forget, that on live, many players played in zergs and when they played in zergs they didnt care for debuffs/templates etc... So it wasnt uncommon to meet a player with crap sc and buffs down, so that you really could twoshot him/her easily.

There even were cases when casters were killed by 1 wizard-bolt!

So if you really want to test something, go test the casters bolts on live!

Different bolt-levels from 12 to 46/50, vs same level opponent each 5 levels or so, with different specs at those levels. All the tests beeing vs a naked druid to get max dmg all the time, and an eld ofc.
Why hib? Scale armored cold resi-casting healer vs cold bolt eld.
By the point you reach lvl 50, and finish the specs lvl 38/46 and lvl 50, you put some items with int/dex etc into your eld and check if the dmg varies, same with from the druid.
Then you keep the buffs constant(low possible) and check for different damage vs different armors from cloth to scale on the druid, and with different resist(casted and from items).

When youre finished, check if you get a variance if your spec is higher than your level, and i hope you wont, and post it on forums. This would help wizards getting more usefull

Whats with the bolts..we r on 2h issue here

Although I bet if you can figure out how bolts work we would learn a lot more about how melee damage works

I tried it out a bit on Pendragon and seriously, this "half elemental half melee somewhat you simply can't understand" type of damage is .. ridiculous. It gives you an impression how Mythic coded back then

But agreed, let's stay on the 2h topic.

@ Satz There is an old thread by Zippity concerning bolts btw.. Some time ago I thought I'd like to spend some time testing this issue but considering how complictaed it is and how crappy bolts were on Live anyhow (Yes they were, I checked a lot of TL reports ).. Well, I decided not to

Kirillow wrote:Although I bet if you can figure out how bolts work we would learn a lot more about how melee damage works

I tried it out a bit on Pendragon and seriously, this "half elemental half melee somewhat you simply can't understand" type of damage is .. ridiculous. It gives you an impression how Mythic coded back then

But agreed, let's stay on the 2h topic.


@ Satz There is an old thread by Zippity concerning bolts btw.. Some time ago I thought I'd like to spend some time testing this issue but considering how complictaed it is and how crappy bolts were on Live anyhow (Yes they were, I checked a lot of TL reports ).. Well, I decided not to

offt:A few words about bolt dmg: Had firewizz on live and i remember that apart from cloth,leather enemies you "d do more dmg with a spec dd from fire vs studded chain etc then with the spec bolt , not to mention that vs shield tanks the bolt"s dmg was halved most of the time .

I want to see some1 else do the tests i ve done and to see what has he found about 2h dmg.