Has anyone tried playing a nightshade with blades? Most of your enemies will be shadowblades and infiltrators so slash damage is favorable. However pierce is str and dex based which will certainly be higher as a luri.

How do you think blades spec will work? Is it worth it?

EDIT: by blades spec I mean 44cs, 22cd, 36 env, 36 stealth, 36 blades

In my honest opnion there is no point in making a Blades nightshade anymore, since here Celts can't be nightshades and Shars are not going to be here (and I don't even know if they could be NS, I don't think so), when it comes to stats, the only viable races to join the Nightshade class would be Lurikeen for the stats (dexterity if I am not wrong) and Elf for the looks and roleplay, and both of them would rather use Pierce since they lack the strenght (which affects Blades/Slash).

Of course, this all comes from my personal opinion, and I am a casual player who knows barely anything, but I think I am not mistaken, I've made some little research.

Greetings!

A blade spec NS can be quite efficient. Do remember that your (probably) most common targets (infil, sb) are resistant to thrust while being neutral and vulnerable to slash, respectively. As you point out - favorable.

I remember Priska on Uthgard 1 doing quite (not to say exceptionally) well with blades. I myself would put 15 starting str and 10 dex for NS if I were to roll one, just to make sure that I could go either way and still maximize damage. But I would probably want to start out with pierce and wait for higher RR's (Aug str. and mop) to spec blades. Also, I would limit CS and go high CD:

RR4 spec (assumed, since you put 36stealth/envenom)

36 stealth
36 envenom
37 blades (51 composite - Wyrd spec)
45 celtic dual (you will be using the styles from CD - get it as high as possible)
22 critical strike

You can go 24 cs 44 cd too. At 45 cd with +11 from items and +3 from RR's is 59 composite. This gets you to the offhand hit rate cap at 65% ((composite spec * 0.68) + 25% base chance)

Heck. I think I'm going to roll a NS, too. See you out there.

So that means that Nightshades are in disadvantage to other assassins by nature, they have better race/class/damage type/stats combinations, also that is not a CS spec, which is quite respectable, but I almost never targeted other assassins when I played one, and my spec was a CS one.

I know things have changed, but back then in Uthgard 1, archers would target assassins and I, myself, would target casters as an assassin. I played a ranger too for a little while and would target both.

I don't believe a Blades NS would be optimal given que circumstances now, we have a certain advantage against archers now, don't we? Like the MoStealth, lack of PD and all that. I think it is all about the metagame now, the unwritten rules that we as players take for granted in order to target one kind of class or another.

If lurikeens are more adept in dexterity, I think going Piercing would be the obvious choice, we might just have to change target classes, of course I have to agree that a blades NS lurikeen would take the enemy by surprise, so you have that.

However... after all... I know nothing so I might be saying some serious bullsh*t.

Thank you for your input! I will probably go with the standard high cs and pierce dmg type spec for start and try out blades with mastery of str at higher rrs ^^

idiotron wrote:So that means that Nightshades are in disadvantage to other assassins by nature, they have better race/class/damage type/stats combinations, also that is not a CS spec, which is quite respectable, but I almost never targeted other assassins when I played one, and my spec was a CS one.

I know things have changed, but back then in Uthgard 1, archers would target assassins and I, myself, would target casters as an assassin. I played a ranger too for a little while and would target both.

I don't believe a Blades NS would be optimal given que circumstances now, we have a certain advantage against archers now, don't we? Like the MoStealth, lack of PD and all that. I think it is all about the metagame now, the unwritten rules that we as players take for granted in order to target one kind of class or another.

If lurikeens are more adept in dexterity, I think going Piercing would be the obvious choice, we might just have to change target classes, of course I have to agree that a blades NS lurikeen would take the enemy by surprise, so you have that.

However... after all... I know nothing so I might be saying some serious bullsh*t.

Hehe . Long phrase and end it with "I know nothing" Made me laugh a bit. Good on ya.

Anyhow, I would also like to be selective about the targets and be able to target casters, but let's face it - they only come by solo once in a full moon. And the server will be absolutely swarmed with infils on uthgard 2.0. Alb zerg galore.

I think you have the right idea Kiksens. Experiment with blades at higher RR and go CS for lower RR's so you're at least somewhat safe in winning fights when you do land PA. I would do exactly that.

Equade wrote:

Hehe . Long phrase and end it with "I know nothing" Made me laugh a bit. Good on ya.

Anyhow, I would also like to be selective about the targets and be able to target casters, but let's face it - they only come by solo once in a full moon. And the server will be absolutely swarmed with infils on uthgard 2.0. Alb zerg galore.

I think you have the right idea Kiksens. Experiment with blades at higher RR and go CS for lower RR's so you're at least somewhat safe in winning fights when you do land PA. I would do exactly that.

Yep, you have a point, a very strong one, however what I used to do when playing infiltrator and minstrel is climb the keep walls and assassinate the casters while they were sitting idly.

To be honest I have no idea how well this would work in the frontiers, probably not at all, I was talking about battlegrounds.

I think I will give blades a try, can you please suggest any CS oriented spec for blades? I am so afraid of bladeturn, which I think can't stop PA and all chaos that follows.

Yeah wall-monkey'ing can be wicked fun! But people quickly learn not to linger around the courtyard alone

At any rate, I would recommend blade for the ones who would do more of a 'blademaster' spec, i.e. rely very little on CS, as you would rarely PA another assassin.

A Blade CS spec would not vary from the Pierce CS spec imo,

At RR4

36 stealth (50 composite)
36 envenom (50 composite)
37 blade/pierce (51 composite - Wyrds spec)
44 critical strike
24 celtic dual (you can go 50cs and 6cd, but I personally rate the increased offhand hit chance higher)

Thank you so much, I will eventually try both, pierce and blades and see how they work.

Greetings!

On live, i ran with 1 of the top NSs ingame - (Rackir, Elf on Gawaine) he ran with Blades from creation (Mids were OPed only at start) and he never respecced to pierce even tho that would have made sense.He did fairly well with that spec even tho you would figure it sucked stat-wise. ofc resists were changed later to be much smaller margins for vulnerable/resistant and neutral...Losing out on the evade stun in Diamond back would be a huge loss imo.

Ridifool wrote:On live, i ran with 1 of the top NSs ingame - (Rackir, Elf on Gawaine) he ran with Blades from creation (Mids were OPed only at start) and he never respecced to pierce even tho that would have made sense.He did fairly well with that spec even tho you would figure it sucked stat-wise. ofc resists were changed later to be much smaller margins for vulnerable/resistant and neutral...Losing out on the evade stun in Diamond back would be a huge loss imo.

I don't think too many people use evadestun, when you have access to sidestun. With some practice it's easily landable in 1vs1 and becomes more reliable.

1.65 no sidestun for rangers/ns only bms get that

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Comparison to live are not very useful. Uthgard has no buff bots and no s/c for hib atm. Blade spec is not viable without imo.
Due to lack of evade stun it will never be anyways I'd say

Foneb wrote:1.65 no sidestun for rangers/ns only bms get that

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oh...crap!

Foneb wrote:1.65 no sidestun for rangers/ns only bms get that

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My ranger had it in beta.