So I'm not new to the ment, ran an 11L7 light ment on Percival. The resists on yellow mobs to my level are ridiculous. Oj are out of the question with 45+10 light. Anyone else experiencing this? I seen a fellow light ment with a level 50 and he was 49, but he had 48 in light. It's been YEARS since I was such a low RR, so just wondering if it was this bad back then as well, I cannot remember.

Tydal

Yup, minstrel have the same problem.

https://uthgard.org/tracker/issue/2489/ ... 't_in_1.65

The formula is wrong.
Makes it hard for you to control an OJ pet, and makes impossible for us to control a purple pet (even with heavy spam).

For now it's a bug/NERF for both classes. Hope it will be fixed anytime soon.

But it's not the only one ... Staff decided that you can't charm Named mobs.
(even if it was fully doable on 1.65 and next patches until 1.89).
As a result, Minst & Mentalist doesn't have decent pets in DF, for example.

They removed being able to charm Named on live as well ( at least from about 2005-2010)
I do hope they fix it soon though, kinda makes two lines of mentalists broken/gimped.

Good luck with that.

It's 1.65 but not 1.65 enough for the 1.65 uthgard.

I remember landing a charm on a lvl 70 inquisitor in DF back in the days, with my mentalist. The charm hold for +/- 10 sec before he destroy me. It was the great times :'-)

Here you can't.

Same for Glacier Giant ... Afanc ... and many other big fun pet that was charmable in 1.65.

Could be worth to try a big post in General Topic, and ask for the fixe of this custom nerf.
But am not sure it would change a thing ...

That was 1.65 tbh ..

If there was a way to dupe money in 1.65 should we introduce that as well?

Trishin wrote:If there was a way to dupe money in 1.65 should we introduce that as well?

Yes please for Hibs only!

As example, this could be a solution (sorry can't write it directly as a code, but a friend could try)

1-IF mob is in fight for 30 sec without charm : Charm impossible (Can't ruin an effort from another group to kill mob) => No abuse possible

2-IF mob was charmed but didn't regen to 100% before death : No XP, No loot, no quest credit. (Can't abuse of the charm to get mob down to 1% then release kill & loot) => No abuse possible
2Bis (reverse of 2)- IF mob was charmed not long ago but regen to 100% before fight engaged : XP & Loot & Quest credit

-IF no charm from 100% to 0% HP : Loot & XP & Credit => Already working that way..


2/3 lines of code. To put instead of the : "Not charmable" one
First determine if mob is charmable or not.
Second determine if mob 100% regen after a charm can loot.

I think the charming named mobs is a question on its own and I understand the devs not wanting that to be possible. The real problem is the resist rate on charms being way too high. Myself and many other ments have experienced that we are having way too hard of a time keeping mobs charmed. I believe that the formula for mob charming is not functioning as it used to. With light at my level blue mobs often lose charm and yellows are often out of the question.

Not allowing named to be charmed is completely reasonable, but having the resist formula for charm be borked really hurts. I hope they fix that soon, it'll really suck to feel like the reason I made a light mentalist is nullified.

Sappo wrote:Not allowing named to be charmed is completely reasonable, but having the resist formula for charm be borked really hurts. I hope they fix that soon, it'll really suck to feel like the reason I made a light mentalist is nullified.

So far we had some changes done because it was 1.65 things. Even if not popular, like window group changes, map changes, and the class balance stay 1.65 anyway. So... Even realmbalance aren't the best one, but is 1.65 fine !!

This custom change goes against 1.65 patch and nerf 2 classes. How could it be reasonnable ?
We should just try to find solutions to prevent abuses, and delete this custom to make it 1.65 like every other class/realm balance on UTH.

Bug 2489 and 1911 are bugs and BIG nerfs aswell, but it's not a custom change made on purpose to nerf, it will be fixed eventually.

The Named mob not being charmable discussion has completely derailed this thread. The problem of the charm spell not working correctly kind of makes the issue of charming any high level named mob a moot point since NOTHING over orange can be charmed at all due to the instability of the spell.

Issue 2041: Mentalist Charm gets resisted way too much. This problem has over 30 votes and there has been an overwhelming amount of data posted about the charm mechanics simply not working correctly.

At this point I have personally shelved my mentalist, as playing a split spec of light/mana with a pet is impossible to do with the mechanics as broken as they are.

Would LOVE to hear something, ANYTHING, about this. Because at this time, ments are pretty much reduced to gimpy one trick ponies in light, or stuck being power batteries for the fun classes

DaytonChambers wrote:Issue 2041: Mentalist Charm gets resisted way too much. This problem has over 30 votes and there has been an overwhelming amount of data posted about the charm mechanics simply not working correctly.

One of the biggest parts of "getting it working correctly" is recognizing and researching "how it should be". If you can collect
the data that will let us derive / identify errors in any formula that is far more helpful than 500 votes that say 'me too' without real data. Just my 2c

There are countless replies with the correct formula, as well as well documented examples and anything you could possibly desire. What's still missing? I'm puzzled.

Juri wrote:There are countless replies with the correct formula, as well as well documented examples and anything you could possibly desire. What's still missing? I'm puzzled.

"With the correct formula" based on an internet source that has no data backed up and tons of data that refutes the claims? (Note: I havent looked, but this is often the case with formula claims)