W/o start stats at lvl 50 u'll have :

Celt = 105 str 75 dext // so a base dmg in thrust = 50% both str+dext = 90
Luri = 85 str 95 dext // bd = 90
Elf = 85 str 90 dext // bd = 87,5

Celt bd = Luri bd. But celt gona do more dmg because less quick than luri !

Yes Celt does more dmg on ONE hit. but NOT over time, and he also got lesser defense becouse of lesser dex and qui. ^^ so for onehand Champ Lurikeen is ofc the best choice, in my mind.

Elf is only style (if u like elfes).. but i also guess it DOESNT care which Race u pick for a Champ unless u havent fun with it.

I ogt one MORE question.

if u Cap Valor, is the Ressist rate from debuffs lower ?

with more Valor better chances that Defbuffs dont fail ?

Whats with hp? Luri/elf are low con races and champ got no con raising with level?

najo.. one more block is more worth than 20 con ^^

not against casters

offtopic ^^ no caster wins vs a solo champ ^^ purge ip snare dd debuffs..

Quickness does nothing for your champion besides modify swing speed. It would benefit defense if you had evade, but you do not

Only the level 50 str/con buff selfbuff is worth it as it would exceed the 75 value that you can get from a str/con buff item (a luxury item that is nice not having to go out and get) If you have the level 40 str/con buff, I would still recommend you use the charge.

You should consider actives AP, IP and WoC. It is beastmode to have all of them - I had great fun on Genesis wacking a lot of stealthers in one fight with all of these up. But it is a rr7+ thing.

WoC comes as a surprise. Sometimes you can consider using it when the enemy would use IP (i.e. add it on top of your swing to kill him, not giving him the chance to IP) Also pops stealthers that are looking to add. I remember several occasions where I saw adders trying to angle for a PA and then just popped them all with WoC

Equade wrote:
You should consider actives AP, IP and WoC. It is beastmode to have all of them - I had great fun on Genesis wacking a lot of stealthers in one fight with all of these up. But it is a rr7+ thing.

WoC comes as a surprise. Sometimes you can consider using it when the enemy would use IP (i.e. add it on top of your swing to kill him, not giving him the chance to IP) Also pops stealthers that are looking to add. I remember several occasions where I saw adders trying to angle for a PA and then just popped them all with WoC

I vouch for Wrath of Champion too. It may not be the greatest RA as it is frankly an AoE DD on a long cooldown timer...but it is useful enough that you might as well spend the points on it when you can afford it (post RR5 sometime). I also had great fun using it when out solo or when hunting stealthers. It is the best when a stealther uses vanish to escape you, you WoC and pop him, and kill him. Notice how he lays there dead for a couple minutes while yelling into his monitor that you somehow cheated by unpopping him.

WoC sux rly hard in 1.65 do the test and try with the free i50 rr50

Feuille wrote:WoC sux rly hard in 1.65 do the test and try with the free i50 rr50

It suffers from problems many of the RAs at this level have: high cost to obtain, high resuse cooldowns, and small benefit. However there are good parts as we listed above. Might as well get it as it adds utility. If you don't want the utility and just want high damage/defense RAs, don't roll a Champion. Roll a determination melee class.

Revisiting this thread

With the current concerns regarding resist rates on Uthgard does anyone have any experience of running a champion with less than 50 Valor?

Toying around with the character builder I came up with the following (paper daoc I know!)

42 Valor
32 Parry
50 Blunt
23 Shield

10 Str / 10 dex or Qui / 10 Int & Celt as race choice (Str based weapon) / Is there potential to go Luri / Elf with this spec?

2 in the chain Parry stun (10 seconds) seems powerful. Still having 23 shield for rear shield stun.

Would there be far too many resists to make this worthwhile? Bear in mind I do appreciate the whole 'no determination' thing.

Welcome your thoughts

Bumpity

Still looking for some opinions on the spec I recently posted on this thread.

All thoughts welcome

I'd go 50 LW 50 valor rest parry. You use annihilation as an anytime stun by straffing. When I was playing Camlann, Wewantfun a high RR solo champion was doing that and it was very strong. Not sure hibs have str/con charge so your self buff does the job, you use the d/q charge and got both purp doubles.

Full hybrid

40 Valor: second best str/con buff,- the difference in UT between 40 and 50 valor is too small to go for 50 valor in my opinion, ofc it ´s nice to have better debuffs and a better str/con buff but how big is the difference for real? I tried 40 and 50 valor and 40 is good enough imo. Also you don ´t need the longer lasting 42 snare urgentl.

29 1hand weapon: with + 11 skill good enough to land some hits while fighting in 1hand modus, weapon type matter of choice, as luri and elf I would take pierce, as celt blunt or sword

42 Shield: anytimeslam and still good blockrate, all said.

39 LW: With +11 skill you hit the 50 soft cap, the 50 style is nice but only medium damage too, for stun you got 42 shield and you re not hindered by back-position to use it.

9 Parry: rest

Well, I played champions on Uth1 and live, never tried that specc but probably would give it a try .
As champ is a hybrid char by nature it ´s nice to have much options for it I guess. This specc is good for duels and viable in groups (haha,good luck find one as a champ) too I would say, specially with higher RR. Even if I think elf and luri champions are stylish, I would strongly recommend celt for that spec or if you want to specc LW anyway.