Hey guys,

I can't find the formula regarding how sub-pet invocation is working.

How can I forecast how may pets, and what pet level to use in order to maximize the efficiency of my minions?

Any formula / theorycrafting to share please?

Thank you!

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads/a-bonedancer-and-his-minions.4626/

Pets are lower level than a SM pet. Commanders are 80% of BD level except the Dread Commander (gained at level 45) which is 82% of caster level (thus level 41 with a BD 50). The minion pets are 75% of BD level OR capped for the specific summon spell version. Minion pet abilities increase according to their level. To get higher level minion pets, you have to spec higher in that spell line. Note that there is currently a total level cap on the levels of minions that can be controlled by commander pet. It's currently set at 75 which will not allow you to summon 3 pets of max level (37).
lvl of summon spell --> lvl cap of pet (caplvl)
15 ----------------> 15
18 ----------------> 18
21 ----------------> 20
24 ----------------> 22
27 ----------------> 24
30 ----------------> 27
33 ----------------> 29
36 ----------------> 31
39 ----------------> 33
42 ----------------> 36
45 ----------------> 37
48 ----------------> 37

Another way to look at it is in equation:

commander level = 0.8 x caster level (for version 5, 15, 30)
commander level = 0.82 x caster level (for version 45)

minion pet level = (0.75 x caster level) OR cap level (as per table) whichever is lowest.

Couple things to keep in mind:
Note that there is currently a total level cap on the levels of minions that can be controlled by commander pet. It's currently set at 75. I believe that the 75 here is your level * 1.5, thus 75 at level 50.

I think there is a bug where this formula does not get recalculated for you until you relog. Example: Player has 3 pets, hits the next level, can still resummon those 3 pets (when the formula says he should not), once he relogs all the sudden he can't summon those 3 pets again (correct behavior) but he's confused because he hasn't changed level/spec since the last time he could. So keep that in mind.

Thank you.

I found this that might be useful:

lvl of summon spell --> lvl cap of pet (caplvl)
15 ----------------> 15
18 ----------------> 18
21 ----------------> 20
24 ----------------> 22
27 ----------------> 24
30 ----------------> 27
33 ----------------> 29
36 ----------------> 31
39 ----------------> 33
42 ----------------> 36
45 ----------------> 37
48 ----------------> 37

Maximize pets at level 50:
37, 37, 0 = 74 (2 pets only)
37, 22, 15 = 74
37, 20, 18 = 75
36, 24, 15 = 75
33, 27, 15 = 75
33, 24, 18 = 75
33, 22, 20 = 75
31, 29, 15 = 75
31, 24, 20 = 75
31, 22, 22 = 75
29, 29, 15 = 73
29, 27, 18 = 74
29, 24, 22 = 75
27, 27, 20 = 74
27, 24, 24 = 75

I have a lvl 44 Bonedancer, and I wonder if this is correct / as intended:

My spec atm is 39 dark, 18 supp, 14 Army.

So I just received the 39 caster minion.

I noticed the following:
- I can only summon 1 of that lvl 39 caster minion
- After summoning a lvl 39 caster minion, I cannot summon a lvl 18 healer minion. I can summon a lvl 15 bone patroller minion.


This is not a bug, its intended behavior?

The thread some months old but I will post for informational purposes....

There is a bug of some sort here regarding BD pet levels on Uthgard. I reported it last year and was told it was invalid. None the less, the reality is; it exists and is real.

Now the above explanations of how BD sub-pet levels work are correct and fine and elementary to understand. And THIS IS HOW IT WORKS AFTER LEVEL 45. Once you hit 45, there will be no problem. Levels 1-30 also have no issues.

Somewhere in the low 30's you will start noticing an issue where you attempt to summon the optimal subpet levels per your level and it will not work. I do not remember the specifics off hand but TWICE when leveling, once in the 30's and once in the early 40's, I was unable to even summon the SAME PETS I had used the level before. Proof positive that something is wrong, an increase in level caused me to take a step backwards as far as which subs I could summon. At the very least, I should have been able to summon the same pets I used the level before....thats how math works.

The formula described above, if appllied to say level 40 BD would result in the following. 40x 1.5 = 60 You should be able to summon 60 levels of subpets. Since the level 30 commander only has 2 subpets....that means you could summon 2 level 30 subpets for a total of 60. Try it in game and see what happens. Asumming BD is full spec in Suppresion at level 40 you could cast the spell Summon Bonehealer (you recieve this at 36 supp). The delve on the spell says it summons a pet at 75% of your level up to a maximum of level 31. So the numbers work...we should be able to summon two of these subpets...30 is 75% of 40 which is our level and we ostensibly have 60 levels of sub pet to work with. I dare say you will not be able to do it.

I remember i did level 44 while farming in Varulv big room....I was weak from being unable to summon proper pets...i was only able to get a grey guardian and grey healer up with commander. So i farmed blues for the whole level, was at 800 enc from salvage at the end.

A BD is a very strong class and you will get through this issue, but its there. I have another BD coming up and will report it again when it is encountered. Take heart, its only a minor setback....and at 45 EVERYTHING IS FINE and you will be a strong pve class again.