Starting stats: con vs qui

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Postby peter1986 » Dec 17, 2016 19:12

A saracen/briton at lvl 50 with dex/qui charge and +75 from equipment has 233qui.

How important is it to get close to the magic 250qui? or is the small health increase worth the drop in qui?

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Postby dvonipaja » Dec 20, 2016 03:48

depends on your main/off hand speed knowing that weapons with lower speed have a bonus to damage and that capped swing speed is 1.5 whatever happens and that you will definetly need augmented quickness 2 for dodger and optionnal 3 for MoS

http://www.etilader.com/wscalc.php

also here with MoA and dual wields infos

http://www.oocities.org/siliconvalley/p ... n_calc.htm

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Postby Thalien » Dec 20, 2016 10:02

Seems with 2,4 offhand and 17% haste 233 quick is enough for capspeed.

With 3,3 offhand you need 250 quick and moa1.

I would just split the points and go 5 con 5 quick. This way you got 250 quick with aug qui2 for dodger. If you plan on getting mos go full con.
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Postby Pezzor » Dec 22, 2016 20:59

With aug qui2 to get dodger, as a Briton is enough to go 10 str/dex and 5 con/qui?

or should you pull 10 str/dex/qui to ensure your capped?

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Postby peter1986 » Dec 22, 2016 21:38

Pezzor wrote:With aug qui2 to get dodger, as a Briton is enough to go 10 str/dex and 5 con/qui?

or should you pull 10 str/dex/qui to ensure your capped?


Briton has the same qui as saracen so with aug qui 2 you'll need +5 qui from your starting stats.

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Postby Tasu » Feb 13, 2017 20:14

dvonipaja wrote: you will definetly need augmented quickness 2 for dodger and optionnal 3 for MoS


Thalien wrote:This way you got 250 quick with aug qui2 for dodger. If you plan on getting mos go full con.


Everywhere im looking has aug quickness 2 listed as prequisite for Mastery of Stealth, including in-game and the Uth charbuilder. Am i missing something here?

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Postby figgfilet » Feb 18, 2017 07:32

So to be clear:

Is 250 the hardcap on quick?
How much value does the dex/qui pot on Uthgard give? 51 dex/qui?
Does Uthgard have a celerity charge that can be added to armor/wep that stacks with the haste pot?

If you don't put any starting stats into quick, at 50 you should have 83 quick + 75 if max temped + 51 from dex/qui charge = 209 qui

Where is the rest of the 41 coming from to get to 250?

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Postby Tasu » Feb 18, 2017 16:16

figgfilet wrote:So to be clear:

Is 250 the hardcap on quick?
How much value does the dex/qui pot on Uthgard give? 51 dex/qui?
Does Uthgard have a celerity charge that can be added to armor/wep that stacks with the haste pot?

If you don't put any starting stats into quick, at 50 you should have 83 quick + 75 if max temped + 51 from dex/qui charge = 209 qui

Where is the rest of the 41 coming from to get to 250?



Buff pots are +51 and item charges are +75.


Saracen/Briton qui@50 is 83
+5 starting stats
+75 through item
+51 pot // +75 item charge
+12 from aug qui 2

Comes out to 226 potted and the magic 250 with charge active

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Postby figgfilet » Feb 18, 2017 22:50

Tasu wrote:
figgfilet wrote:So to be clear:

Is 250 the hardcap on quick?
How much value does the dex/qui pot on Uthgard give? 51 dex/qui?
Does Uthgard have a celerity charge that can be added to armor/wep that stacks with the haste pot?

If you don't put any starting stats into quick, at 50 you should have 83 quick + 75 if max temped + 51 from dex/qui charge = 209 qui

Where is the rest of the 41 coming from to get to 250?



Buff pots are +51 and item charges are +75.


Saracen/Briton qui@50 is 83
+5 starting stats
+75 through item
+51 pot // +75 item charge
+12 from aug qui 2

Comes out to 226 potted and the magic 250 with charge active


Thanks, make sense now. Is the item charge a specific item or a crafted charge?

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Postby Tasu » Feb 19, 2017 00:31

figgfilet wrote:Thanks, make sense now. Is the item charge a specific item or a crafted charge?



Only on specific items i think

"Director Kobil" in DF drops rings with it for example

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Postby figgfilet » Feb 19, 2017 06:21

Tasu wrote:
figgfilet wrote:Thanks, make sense now. Is the item charge a specific item or a crafted charge?



Only on specific items i think

"Director Kobil" in DF drops rings with it for example


Ah ok, do you know if this server has the celerity charge that will stack with pot haste? The craftable celerity? Thanks

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Postby maiens » Feb 25, 2017 06:24

figgfilet wrote:
Tasu wrote:
figgfilet wrote:Thanks, make sense now. Is the item charge a specific item or a crafted charge?



Only on specific items i think

"Director Kobil" in DF drops rings with it for example


Ah ok, do you know if this server has the celerity charge that will stack with pot haste? The craftable celerity? Thanks


no celerity charges in 1.65
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Postby figgfilet » Feb 25, 2017 08:33

Do you all know which rings have the dex/qui +75 charge? I've heard a dragon ring has it too? Know name?

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Postby Requin » Feb 25, 2017 20:16

is individual weapon swing speed locked at 1.5 or is dual wield swing speed locked at 1.5?
What it means is if I manage in the weapon calculator to reach weapon swing speed for offhand below 1.5 but the dual wield swing speed is above 1.5 will it actually lock the offhand at 1.5 in the game, and then my dual wield speed will be above what was suggested by the weapon speed calculator?
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