Hello, i alway played "classic" inf with a common spec like

(rrk4 spec)
50 thrust
39 cs
36 envenom
36 stealth
27 DW (with full AT)

i was asking myself about mercinf

is it any good ? if so, what spec ? maybe begin like a classic spec then respec to mercinf ? in that case what is the best rank to have in order to respec ?

what are the pros and cons between the two playstyles ?

Wow, no inf genius here ?

You can run either spec. However I would wait until higher RR (at least RR5) to run a full MercFiltrator spec because you'll want to keep Dragonfang for that uber stun.

50 DW
50 Thrust
Composite Stealth & Envenom
Rest into CS for bubble breaker

CS spec will still perform a bit better solo simply due to the huge openers and higher growth rate of CS. If you're going to group a lot you can run full DW spec earlier. But it all comes down to play style.

Mercfil doesn't really develop until RR6 when you can have 34+16 in both stealth and venom. As you get more RRs you can drop both for more crit.

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As a Merc infil what style do you use as your anytime.
when going Thrust that is

Stasis wrote:As a Merc infil what style do you use as your anytime.
when going Thrust that is

50 DW front facing style for the most part. Dual Shadows or whatever its called. I dont think mercfils use an anytime. All positionals and reactionary.

Sakimoto wrote:

Stasis wrote:As a Merc infil what style do you use as your anytime.
when going Thrust that is

50 DW front facing style for the most part. Dual Shadows or whatever its called. I dont think mercfils use an anytime. All positionals and reactionary.

This is right. Dual Shadows as a frontal main style, backed up by dragonfang then dark tendrils after dragonfang lands.

One prob with mercfil is you lack a decent snare style. You have a side snare which is hard to pull off if they run. Then a snare as part of a chain off your detaunt. If you full auto train and get RR8 you can get garrote while keeping 50/50/32/32

Mercinfi isn't bad but when I tested it in the past the bleed damage on dual shadows was alot less than it was for the merc. I think it can still be an effective spec but I still prefer cookie cutter setups with higher CS.

isocleas2 wrote:Mercinfi isn't bad but when I tested it in the past the bleed damage on dual shadows was alot less than it was for the merc. I think it can still be an effective spec but I still prefer cookie cutter setups with higher CS.

Totally agree but by the time you're RR8+ having the 50+x DW is a really nice, assuming you don't perf enemy assassins.

RR8 CS inf has around 30+18DW, assuming full auto train and 44CS. This gives 57.6% chance to offhand swing.

A 50+18DW inf has a 71.2% chance to swing, capped at 65% i believe leaving you room to drop some DW in your temp.

30+18= 57% and 50+18= 71% and it caps anyway at 65%. so dw is capped at approx 58 total ???

11+rr3 and your off hand hitchance is then capped at 44 in DW
Can someone verify this?

Stasis wrote:30+18= 57% and 50+18= 71% and it caps anyway at 65%. so dw is capped at approx 58 total ???

11+rr3 and your off hand hitchance is then capped at 44 in DW
Can someone verify this?

No, you're way off, the % to swing isn't your composite DW.

DW % = (DWx0.68)+25

If there is a hard cap at 65 %

65%=(X x 0,68)+ 25

Wouldn't that give a Comp DW at 48 (skill+items+RR) to get 65%???

Ofc you need to spec to get the styles you want.

If this is correct i Guess it holds true for NS's as well.

dual shadows has a lower dot then on the pages. in builder its 25 and real dot on uth is only 7 or 11 dont remember exactly.

made it not longer interesting for me to make 50DW

Stasis wrote:If there is a hard cap at 65 %

65%=(X x 0,68)+ 25

Wouldn't that give a Comp DW at 48 (skill+items+RR) to get 65%???

Ofc you need to spec to get the styles you want.

If this is correct i Guess it holds true for NS's as well.

You need 60DW to get your 65% off hand swing:

60x0.68 = 40.8

40.8+25 = 65.8%

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